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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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Your source has Covid after fourish injections.
:frankensmoke:
Although, I have admittedly formed my opinion based on politics and first impressions.:awesomenod:

Edited by durian_2008 (06/21/22 12:00 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CreonAntigone]
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CreonAntigone said:And why did Fauci call it a conspiracy theory when in actual fact scientists were extremely divided on lab leak?



I'm having a hard time finding something that says Fauci called it a conspiracy theory besides What you wrote.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: falcon]
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It would be flattering, to call an intentional release accidental.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CreonAntigone]
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CreonAntigone said:
Fauci held a secret meeting of scientists to discuss lab leak in 2020. What did they say? We don't know. He redacted all the notes before making any information about it available.


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But details of what was said in the meeting, including extensive notes taken by one participant and further thoughts shared by others, were blacked out by the NIH before the emails were made public.

“It was a very productive back-and-forth conversation where some on the call felt it could possibly be an engineered virus,” Fauci said in our interview. Others, he said, felt the evidence was “heavily weighted” toward the virus emerging from an animal host.

Fauci said his role in helping to organize the meeting shows he has always been open to the possibility of a lab leak or an engineered virus. “I always had an open mind,” he said, “even though I felt then, and still do, the most likely origin was in an animal host.”

At the end of the call that winter Saturday in 2020, Fauci said, it was decided that Farrar would “give a heads up” to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus “and determine what further needed to be done.”
Fauci said he doesn’t know whether Farrar reached Tedros.]



Gee, why does Fauci, a scientist and servant of the truth, not want the information of scientists public? What scientists defended the lab leak theory in this secret meeting; why is it secret, why is it redacted now? Why have are we only hearing about this debate among scientists now, 2 years later?

And why did Fauci call it a conspiracy theory when in actual fact scientists were extremely divided on lab leak?



Because it's a fucking conspiracy theory. Classic in every way. Some find more comfort in the idea that someone did this on-purpose, or somewhat on-purpose, as opposed to considering the thought that we're just barreling through existence and inadvertently creating more and more biological hazards.

I'm shocked that it's taken this long for a new pandemic to hit, given trends in food production, habitat encroachment, and global travel.

Fauci uses science, sure, but he's not a fucking pure scientist or "servant of the truth." He's a guy who manages public health crises. Get off the man's tip.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CreonAntigone]
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CreonAntigone said:
Now the head of the WHO has said what many have said from day one, COVID is an artificial virus that escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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According to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019, Daily Mail reported.








Leave this shit in the conspiracy forum. Wtf is sambadenglish.com?

It’s pretty clear that covid was brought to wuhan by an animal trader.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (06/22/22 11:46 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
CreonAntigone said:
Now the head of the WHO has said what many have said from day one, COVID is an artificial virus that escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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According to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019, Daily Mail reported.








Leave this shit in the conspiracy forum. Wtf is sambadenglish.com?

It’s pretty clear that covid was brought to wuhan by an animal trader.



There is stronger evidence of zoonotic spillover into human population, the best of which I have seen is that all the earliest cases found so far have been linked to wet markets (all cases before community spread) and not just the wet market near the virology institute.  That said, they haven't found the wild type covid-19 animal reservoir. 

All that said, it is still worth looking into the leak hypothesis(if only the Chinese would be open to it), if for the only reason to positively rule out the lab leak hypothesis.  Until that happens, conspiracy theorists have fertile ground (not that evidence or truth ever stopped them before, but it slows the spread of these ideas).

I look at it similar too people claiming that no outside lab has fully analyzed the mRNA vaccines.  This often is used as a go to for deniers to say well if it is what they say it is, then how come it hasn't been analyzed by an independent company/group.  To which I reply it has, by numerous academic groups and numerous companies who want to understand the technology.  You can find the academic groups published findings, the companies that do it not so much, as they are looking at it from a how to be able to use that same technology, so since they are walking a fine line of violating IP rights, they keep quiet.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice Nine]
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Clearly covid can spillover from animals

Omicron was a spillover event. Double spillover, human to animal and back to human. While the reservoir animal hasn’t been found, the genetic variations seen in omicron could have only happened if the virus was evolving outside a human population. The best theory is the beta variant spilled over into rodents in mid 2020, then 18 months later emerged from rodents to become omicrons in humans. Omicron also shows how quickly this virus can mutate. We may never find a reservoir for the original wuhan virus because that virus is long gone.

Edited by koods (06/22/22 01:56 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Speaking of spillovers. Monkeypox is likely to spillover into rodents in western countries and become endemic.

Squirrels could make monkeypox a forever problem


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Clearly covid can spillover from animals

We may never find a reservoir for the original wuhan virus because that virus is long gone.




Not sure why you stated that first part... I obviously agree with you and find spillover to be most likely.  The second part is probably not true.  The wild type almost certainly still exists in some remote population of animals.  Will we ever actually find it... well probably not, considering access to areas needed to find it is inherently limited geographically and politically.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice Nine]
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I read an interesting article about several viruses behaving quote unquote weird after the 2 years of masking, lockdowns and social distancing.  One of those is the virus commonly known as monkeypox (likely will have it's name changed soon).


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice Nine]
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I think it’s appearance that way it has happened is a probabable but  random event made possible by a number of factors. Most importantly is more and more people are not immune to monkeypox due to smallpox exposure or vaccination. Then there’s all the pent up desire to be social that has been repressed for two years and specifically how in the last two years the use of PrEP has become almost universal amongst sexually actively middle class gay men. Gay people are fucking like rodents right now


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
I think it’s appearance that way it has happened is a probabable but  random event made possible by a number of factors. Most importantly is more and more people are not immune to monkeypox due to smallpox exposure or vaccination. Then there’s all the pent up desire to be social that has been repressed for two years and specifically how in the last two years the use of PrEP has become almost universal amongst sexually actively middle class gay men. Gay people are fucking like rodents right now



Its more than that, these virus are presenting in ways that are just biologically different than how they did before the pandemic.  Here is a link to the article in the washington post


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice Nine]
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After two months of monkeypox in the west there’s been one death in Brazil. It’s like a totally different disease than you see in Africa. Is it untreated HIV in africa responsible for the difference? Western cases have much fewer sores and sometimes sores are the only symptom. Poor immunity certainly could account for these differences

I wonder how many subclinical cases there are

I’ve seen a bunch of videos of people with active monkeypox and they don’t look very sick. It’s a weird disease.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (06/22/22 02:22 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Squirrels aren't monkeys.

:archiebunker:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Crazy_Horse said:
Squirrels aren't monkeys.





:notsureif:


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice Nine]
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So, you think squirrels are monkeys.
Koods, hop over here and set him straight.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Squirrels have monkey hands

Raccoons are also monkeys


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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So coons are monkeys now? What about the humble kinkaju? Your unbelievable. :facepalm:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Monkeypox outbreak at Georgetown University in DC


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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