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InvisibleEvolving
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New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels
    #2776005 - 06/08/04 10:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: Evolving]
    #2777146 - 06/09/04 07:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

and here.....

'Lawyers said George Bush not bound by torture laws'


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2933081a12,00.html


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: Evolving]
    #2777241 - 06/09/04 09:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

All hail the petty god-king George.
I do not know who said it as I learned the quote over 30 yrs ago "The progression of a democratic society devolves into religious dictatorship"
Greece and Rome both did it and now we are on the trail.
BTW did ya'll see geedub at the Vatican? Pope's Looookin'goood!geedub looked like an alterboy  :blowjob:
Should be an interesting election(?) eh?
Can ya'll believe we impeached the last prez for lying about a BJ? :blowjob:
If you were married to Hillary would you have told the truth? Not me!:lol:
Under Bush's little interpretation Bubba did not do ANYTHING ILEAGLE.If the prez is "above" the law as Bush has interpreted then how many lies has he told?
I'd bet anyone here not one of geedubs lies involve gettting laid(by a woman anyway)  :blowjob:
WR:wexican:


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Edited by whiterasta (06/09/04 10:24 AM)


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: whiterasta]
    #2777312 - 06/09/04 10:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

PS all the BJ emoticons are to represent how government really works.
WR:wexican:


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: whiterasta]
    #2777613 - 06/09/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Being above the law, yet meting it out - somrthing doesn't add up there.

All hail dubious dubya!

btw - love ur posts whiterasta


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: Evolving]
    #2784437 - 06/11/04 12:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How the hell do you think you get Muslims to talk without actually harming them physically?

I think they were doing a fine job, and can only hope that if I am ever held hostage by a enemy government, they TORTURE me the same way.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: ]
    #2784448 - 06/11/04 12:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You do realize that prisoners were anally raped with objects and dogs chewed on the naked prisoners and prisoners died during these tortures, don't you? Do you think that what is seen on CNN is the worst that happened?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: ]
    #2784518 - 06/11/04 12:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

> I ... can only hope that if I am ever held hostage ... they TORTURE me the same way.

You would like to be kept without clothing, forced to eat out of a toilet, covered with toxic chemicals, forced to masturbate in front of other people, attacked by guard dogs, left hanging by your ankles upside down for a week, not allowed to sleep, shocked with electricity, and anally raped with chemical light sticks.    :rolleyes:


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: whiterasta]
    #2784617 - 06/11/04 01:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

PS all the BJ emoticons are to represent how government really works.




Wouldn't this be more appropriate? ------->


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: Seuss]
    #2784682 - 06/11/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my god, people have died. That changes everything.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: ]
    #2784692 - 06/11/04 01:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How people can be so outraged when Saddam does these things, yet so complicit when our own soldiers do them is beyond me.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: silversoul7]
    #2784758 - 06/11/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
How people can be so outraged when Saddam does these things, yet so complicit when our own soldiers do them is beyond me.




Exactly. I don't get that. Plus, shouldn't we hold ourselves to a higher moral standard?







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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: silversoul7]
    #2785702 - 06/11/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
How people can be so outraged when Saddam does these things, yet so complicit when our own soldiers do them is beyond me.




So you are equally outraged when one idiot skinhead youth beats up a Jew as you are against Hitlers genocidal campaign against the Jews, right?

If not, may I offer a reason why?

One of them is offically sanctioned, condoned and ordered by a leader of state. The other most likely wasn't. Even if it was, the abuse of a few prisoners pales in comparison to the intentional murder and torture of a race of people.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2785722 - 06/11/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So moral relativism makes U.S. state sanctioned torture ok? By your same reasoning, a man who has only commited one murder is really a good person (or maybe, just not such a bad guy) because there have been numerous serial killers and mass murderers throughout history. Brilliant!


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: Evolving]
    #2785821 - 06/11/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Evolving said:
So moral relativism makes U.S. state sanctioned torture ok? By your same reasoning, a man who has only commited one murder is really a good person (or maybe, just not such a bad guy) because there have been numerous serial killers and mass murderers throughout history. Brilliant!




If the death of one person is 'bad', then the death of 15,000,000 of them would have to be "worse". Right?


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2785853 - 06/11/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

15 million?

This is off topic but your numbers are way off, at MOST 6 million jews were killed.

I personally don't even believe it was that many but 15 million is completely wrong.


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Re: New Evidence Prison Torture Was Approved at Top Levels [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2785890 - 06/11/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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germin8tionn8ion said:
If the death of one person is 'bad', then the death of 15,000,000 of them would have to be "worse". Right?



Yes. However, that 15,000,000 should be murdered does not make the murder of one a moral act. It is still an immoral act.


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