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InvisibleEvolving
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Jihad and rape go hand in hand
    #3183454 - 09/26/04 08:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Jihad and Rape Go Hand in Hand
By Robert Spencer

"Each of us was raped by between three and six men. ? One woman refused to have sex with them, so they split her head into pieces with an axe in front of us."

This happened in Darfur, from which Sudanese military personnel actually airlifted women to Khartoum to serve as sex slaves.

Meanwhile, Indira Dzetskelova, the mother of one of the child hostages in Beslan, Russia, reports that "several 15-year-old girls were raped by terrorists." Her daughter "heard their terrible cries and screams when those monsters took them away."

This indicates that there are two things the massacre in Beslan has in common with the ongoing massacres in Darfur: both, no less than the 9-11 attacks, are examples of Islamic jihad terrorism, and both are characterized by rape.

The jihadist element has been made clear by the ringleaders of both atrocities. Sudanese Gen. Mohamed Beshir Suleiman recently declared: "The door of the jihad is still open and if it has been closed in the south it will be opened in Darfur." In southern Sudan, of course, the jihad was waged against Christians; in Darfur, the targets are black African Muslims whose Islamic bona fides don't satisfy Khartoum. As for Beslan, the Chechen jihadist leader Shamil Besayev warned the Russian government last winter: "Praise Allah, we are dreaming of dying in jihad, we are dreaming of dying on the way of Allah, so that we could earn paradise and mercy of Allah."

What does rape, then, have to do with these religious conflicts? Unfortunately, everything. The Islamic legal manual 'Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: "When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled." Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Quran permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: "Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves." (Sura 4:23-24)

After one successful battle, Muhammad tells his men, "Go and take any slave girl." He took one for himself also. After the notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad "went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches." After killing "600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900," the Prophet of Islam took one of the widows he had just made, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine.

Emerging victorious in another battle, according to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, Muhammad's men present him with an ethical question: "We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl [coitus interruptus] with them." Muhammad told them: "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection." When Muhammad says "it is better that you should not do it," he's referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He takes that for granted.

With Muhammad revered throughout the Islamic world as al-insan al-kamil, the perfect man, the rapes of Darfur and Beslan are not surprising. What is surprising, or ought to be, is the silence from the Islamic world about the rapes in both cases. Where are the reformers who will dare to say that Muhammad's example must not be followed in this case? Who will acknowledge that the world has developed principles of human rights that must supercede those forged in seventh-century Arabia? Where are the Western spokesmen who are not so in thrall to multiculturalism that they will condemn rape that is justified according to Islamic religious principles? The much-lionized "Muslim Martin Luther," Tariq Ramadan, now banned from entering the U.S., can so far only bring himself to call for a moratorium, not a definitive ban, on stoning for adulterers. Rape of captives? His sentiments are not known. Where is the Muslim Solzhenitsyn, who will speak honestly about the aspects of Islam that so desperately need reform and call for the overhaul that the system so obviously needs?

The whole world is waiting. But for the girls and women of Darfur and Beslan, it is already too late.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183475 - 09/26/04 08:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That's war for you.

Of course, don't be fooled into thinking that this means that muslim fighters are monsters. Plenty of women were raped in Vietnam. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that American soliders are raping women in Iraq, or that Israeli soliders are raping Palestinian women.

The title of the article, "Jihad and Rape go Hand in Hand", seems to imply that muslim warriors are somehow more inclined to rape than other soliders. It seems like the intent of the article is to portray muslims in a negative light.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183488 - 09/26/04 08:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Iraqi Woman Recalls Abu Ghraib Rape Ordeal

IslamOnline.net ? July 21, 2004

CAIRO ? The rape ordeal she suffered at the hands of US soldiers, both males and females, in the notorious Abu Gharib prison will continue to haunt Nadia for the rest of her life.

Though freed now, she is "imprisoned" in painful memories that left her psychologically and physically scarred, paying the price of the brutality and sadism of her American jailers.

Nadia, the name given by a freed Iraqi female prisoner to Al-Wasat, a weekly supplement of the respectable London-based Al-Hayat newspaper, felt it incumbent upon herself to speak out and expose the less-talked-about abuse of female prisoners in US-run detention camps across Iraq.

Her visit to a relative ended up in her detention by American troops, who stormed the home under the preferable excuse of "searching for weapons".

"I tried in vain to convince the impeded interpreter I was a guest, but I lost consciousness to find myself later in a dingy dark cell all by myself," Nadia recalled.

With tears rolling down her cheeks, she told the paper how she was stripped by her "liberators" of the most precious thing an Arab and Muslim women can have: Her virginity.

"A thrill of fear ran through me when I saw US soldiers laughing hysterically with a female solider telling me mockingly in an Arabic accent ?I never heard about female arms dealer in Iraq?," Nadia said.

"As I tried hard to explain to her that I was wrongly rounded up, the female soldier started accosting and kicking me with my cries and pleas falling on dead ears."

She went on: "She gave me a cup of water and no sooner had I started sipping it than I went into a deep trance to find myself later naked and raped."


?Like Animals?

Only then Nadia realized that hard times and an uncertain fate were lying ahead.
And days proved her right. The other day, five soldiers fondled and raped her one after another in a distasteful sex orgy on the tunes of culturally offensive heavy metal music.

"One month later, a soldier showed up and told me in broken Arabic to take a shower. And before finishing my bath, he kicked the door open. I slapped him but he raped me like animals and called two of his colleagues, who forced me to have sex with them for up to 10 times," added Nadia.

"Four months later, the female soldier came along with four male soldiers with a digital camera. She stripped me naked and started fondling me as if she was a man while her male colleagues broke into laughter and started taking photos.

"Reluctant as I was, she fired four shots close to my head and threatened to kill me if I resist. Then, four soldiers raped me sadistically and I lost conscience. Later, she forced me to watch a clip of my raping, saying bluntly: ?Your were born to give us pleasure?."

Naida was set free from the US hell in Abu Gharib after spending up to six months there.

The American soldiers dumped her along the highway of Abu Gharib and gave her a meager of 10,000 dinars to "start a new life".

Too ashamed to return home, she now works as a housemaid for an Iraqi family.
Britain?s mass-circulation The Guardian revealed on May 12 that US soldiers in Iraq have sexually humiliated and abused several Iraqi female detainees in Abu Gharib.

In its May 10-17 issue, the Newsweek said that yet-unreleased Abu Gharib abuse photos "include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles."

The Iraqi abuse scandal exploded onto the world stage on April 29 after the CBS news network published several shocking photos of Iraqi detainees tortured and sexually abused by US soldiers.

In a damning report presented to the administration in February, before the outbreak of the scandal, US Major General Antonio Taguba found numerous "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the prison complex.
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/21/article06.shtml


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Phluck]
    #3183811 - 09/26/04 10:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
That's war for you.



Is your point being that it makes it okay?

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Phluck said:Of course, don't be fooled into thinking that this means that muslim fighters are monsters. Plenty of women were raped in Vietnam...



Wonderful rationalization. The ethics of western cultures, in contrast to Islam, do not countenance rape.

Quote:

The title of the article, "Jihad and Rape go Hand in Hand", seems to imply that muslim warriors are somehow more inclined to rape than other soliders. It seems like the intent of the article is to portray muslims in a negative light.



It implies that Islam allows rape of slaves. You capture a woman, she is then your slave and you are permitted to rape her. In case you didn't notice this from the article,
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"When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled." Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Quran permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: "Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves." (Sura 4:23-24)



Do you support this barbarism as an acceptable form of behavior? I don't.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183832 - 09/26/04 10:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why is it that I just don't care about muslim women being tortured? Oh right, because your stupid fuckass law's allow it on other muslim nations.

Fuck you, muslim.

^ Thas what alot of people are saying about Muslims now-a-days


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: retread]
    #3183838 - 09/26/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

retread said:
Why is it that I just don't care about muslim women being tortured? Oh right, because your stupid fuckass law's allow it on other muslim nations.

Fuck you, muslim.

^ Thas what alot of people are saying about Muslims now-a-days




:thumbdown: Two flames in less than a minute. Tsk tsk tsk.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183843 - 09/26/04 10:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I was quoting what some other people might be saying. Oh do forgive me, fake muslim, for offending you.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183851 - 09/26/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Is this you best response? In case you haven't noticed, from the beginning I have been against George Bush's war. I spoke out quite forcefully against what went on in Abu Ghraib. Immorality is no excuse for immorality, didn't you mother ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right? Until you and the rest of the barbarian hoards who cling blindly to the Abrahamic faiths and nationalism learn to transcend your excuses and rationalizations for depravity, the cycle of violence will continue and continue to escalate.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183878 - 09/26/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like a contradiction to me. Say that again with a skull cap on.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183891 - 09/26/04 10:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Bro, according to Islam law, if Icapture your wife, can I make her my fuck-toy? I'm just curious as to what the law states.

In another issue, is she hot?


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: retread]
    #3183894 - 09/26/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why can't you debate intelligently? What you're suggesting is simply repulsive.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183895 - 09/26/04 10:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Sounds like a contradiction to me.



Try reading instead of listening, this is a text medium.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183898 - 09/26/04 10:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's your law, not mine. Can I?


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183901 - 09/26/04 10:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Evolving said:
Quote:

Zahid said:
Sounds like a contradiction to me.



Try reading instead of listening, this is a text medium.




You can only read text.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: retread]
    #3183907 - 09/26/04 10:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No, it's not 'my Law'. Nothing in Islam supports rape, it's a crime that is punished by public stoning.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183916 - 09/26/04 10:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Er, but if I capture her, doesn't that nullify your marriage?

Then couldn't I get my freak on due to ""Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves." (Sura 4:23-24)"

Sorry if your law is stupid, primative and idiotic. But, thats why we bomb you.


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183923 - 09/26/04 10:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Where did you hear a contradiction?


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183933 - 09/26/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

*Read


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Zahid]
    #3183950 - 09/26/04 10:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Where is the contradiction, Zahid?


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Re: Jihad and rape go hand in hand [Re: Evolving]
    #3183966 - 09/26/04 11:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The fact that you deny and refuse to condemn what goes on at Abu Ghraib.


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