twighead said:

chopstick said:

There are very, very few people in the world today that actually really value truth. The few who do are practically alone, isolated and out of place in a world which is headed towards its own destruction, even as they try in vain to warn against it.

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That really how you see yourself tho?

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ManianFH said:

Taking up arms against the British government was treason too but didn’t stop common folk from doing it. I wonder what Jefferson would have to say to your argument if he could wake for a few hours

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At any rate, I have to constantly remind myself that it is ignorance and lies that are the enemy, not any particular individual. True, I am constantly disappointed that so many people in the world choose to be ignorant and choose to believe every ridiculous lie they're told. But the sheep-like behavior of so many is ultimately a consequence of the mainstream media's influence, their gullibility, and the difficulty involved with facing the actual real, painful truth, not because they are inherently bad people. The sanity of most people would break if they had to face the cold hard truth of how they were manipulated into turning on their own fellows by a handful of elites that control the flow of information.

There are very, very few people in the world today that actually really value truth. The few who do are practically alone, isolated and out of place in a world which is headed towards its own destruction, even as they try in vain to warn against it.

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B Traven said:

ManianFH said:

Taking up arms against the British government was treason too but didn’t stop common folk from doing it. I wonder what Jefferson would have to say to your argument if he could wake for a few hours

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He'd probably be too busy trying to fuck mixed-race 14 year olds.

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iggyhiggy said:

So, it seems to me that you either
- are misrepresenting something, not showing much interest in truth or
- didn't care to look deeper in the data and sources, showing quite a bit of ignorance and superficiality
- have other (maybe reliable?) sources, but you didn't bother to show them, showing little care for other people accessibility to (what you consider to be) the truth.

Back to your sheeps metaphore, in my eyes you either seem to be in one of the two herds, more than searching truth; but sometimes i have this feeling that you are actively spreading lies from one of the sides (as seems being done from both sides).

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chopstick said:

iggyhiggy said:

So, it seems to me that you either
- are misrepresenting something, not showing much interest in truth or
- didn't care to look deeper in the data and sources, showing quite a bit of ignorance and superficiality
- have other (maybe reliable?) sources, but you didn't bother to show them, showing little care for other people accessibility to (what you consider to be) the truth.

Back to your sheeps metaphore, in my eyes you either seem to be in one of the two herds, more than searching truth; but sometimes i have this feeling that you are actively spreading lies from one of the sides (as seems being done from both sides).

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This is your perception of my beliefs. That's fine, you can perceive it any way you like.

Sure, I'm not unbiased. I took the side of DPR/LPR 8 years ago and have been rooting for them ever since. Back in 2014, some will remember there was a thread on the Ukraine war here at that time. This thread reached over a hundred pages. My views have not changed since then, the people of Donbass were victims to an illegitimate regime that hated them back then and the same is true to this day.

The idea that the total number of all deaths from the Ukraine war between 2014-2022 is only 14,000 is ridiculous, and anybody who paid attention back then would know it. Back in 2014 there were individual battles where over 1,000 combatants were killed on both sides, such as the fight for Debaltsevo in early 2015. On top of that, Ukraine has unleashed tens of thousands of shells on heavily populated areas, deliberately targeting civilians time and time again. It may be true that nobody has exact numbers, but if you ask me, the figure of 14,000 dead civilians and another 10-20 thousand combatants on both sides is roughly accurate given the *information* we have regarding the scale of some of the battles fought in 2014-2015. And there were many, many more battles than just Debaltsevo. ~800 Ukrainian soldiers died in the Ilovaisk cauldron alone, and that wasn't the only such cauldron either.

I couldn't tell you how many times I read reports where in 2014 the Ukrainian army swept through some village on the front-line and massacred all of the inhabitants without a second thought, shooting people dead in their living rooms through the window.

And I couldn't tell you how many times the Ukrainians took massive losses in battle after battle only to pretend they only lost a few people, denying the families of their dead any kind of benefits, simply counting them as missing. They do the same today, even as they lose hundreds of men daily, they continue to put up this propagandized narrative that the Russians are losing in every direction.

Yes, I don't like the regime in Ukraine that is responsible for all of this destruction and whom is responsible for the mass killings of their own citizens. Yes, it shocks me that so many people would side with them (primarily because they don't dig deeper.) This frustration comes out in the form of anger at times. At any rate, I intend to stick to my position. You can continue to perceive it however you like.

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chopstick said:

iggyhiggy said:

So, it seems to me that you either
- are misrepresenting something, not showing much interest in truth or
- didn't care to look deeper in the data and sources, showing quite a bit of ignorance and superficiality
- have other (maybe reliable?) sources, but you didn't bother to show them, showing little care for other people accessibility to (what you consider to be) the truth.

Back to your sheeps metaphore, in my eyes you either seem to be in one of the two herds, more than searching truth; but sometimes i have this feeling that you are actively spreading lies from one of the sides (as seems being done from both sides).

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This is your perception of my beliefs. That's fine, you can perceive it any way you like.

Sure, I'm not unbiased. I took the side of DPR/LPR 8 years ago and have been rooting for them ever since. Back in 2014, some will remember there was a thread on the Ukraine war here at that time. This thread reached over a hundred pages. My views have not changed since then, the people of Donbass were victims to an illegitimate regime that hated them back then and the same is true to this day.

The idea that the total number of all deaths from the Ukraine war between 2014-2022 is only 14,000 is ridiculous, and anybody who paid attention back then would know it. Back in 2014 there were individual battles where over 1,000 combatants were killed on both sides, such as the fight for Debaltsevo in early 2015. On top of that, Ukraine has unleashed tens of thousands of shells on heavily populated areas, deliberately targeting civilians time and time again. It may be true that nobody has exact numbers, but if you ask me, the figure of 14,000 dead civilians and another 10-20 thousand combatants on both sides is roughly accurate given the *information* we have regarding the scale of some of the battles fought in 2014-2015. And there were many, many more battles than just Debaltsevo. ~800 Ukrainian soldiers died in the Ilovaisk cauldron alone, and that wasn't the only such cauldron either.

I couldn't tell you how many times I read reports where in 2014 the Ukrainian army swept through some village on the front-line and massacred all of the inhabitants without a second thought, shooting people dead in their living rooms through the window.

And I couldn't tell you how many times the Ukrainians took massive losses in battle after battle only to pretend they only lost a few people, denying the families of their dead any kind of benefits, simply counting them as missing. They do the same today, even as they lose hundreds of men daily, they continue to put up this propagandized narrative that the Russians are losing in every direction.

Yes, I don't like the regime in Ukraine that is responsible for all of this destruction and whom is responsible for the mass killings of their own citizens. Yes, it shocks me that so many people would side with them (primarily because they don't dig deeper.) This frustration comes out in the form of anger at times. At any rate, I intend to stick to my position. You can continue to perceive it however you like.

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I just don't understand why the fever pitch for Russia - even if it is true. Grozy is a perfect example that Russia is fully willing to do exactly what you just described in very well documented fashion.

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unam sanctum said:

choptstick will kill all the Ukrainian rebels, worry not.

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chopstick said:

Biden is president now

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Maverick said:

So was trump's radiant orange skin the only thing keeping Putin in place or something?



That said, what are your current thoughts/opinions on the genocidal videos coming out from Ukraine- mass graves filled with raped and murdered Ukrainian civilians. 

False flag?  Crisis actors? 



Just curious.

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