Mr.GuessWork said:

Each vaccine that's been approved is very safe and there's no need to worry about safety with any of the vaccines. I'd recommend moderna since it seems to be the best at protecting you from serious covid infection.

Here's the CDC site for longbus to read in good faith:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.htmls_cid=10496:cdc%20vaccine%20guidelines:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21



I think this pandemic has made it beautifully clear that public education needs some attention in the future. It's amazing how many people keep coming in here claiming that they know what's going on, when they're just re-blathering the same nonsense that's been disproven over and over again with overwhelmingly convincing evidence. People can't even accept basic ideas about what vaccination is, let alone ask useful and informative questions about it. It blows my mind that people feel competent enough to argue with scientists that do this for a living. Anyone with education on this stuff is listening to the scientists and generally following guidance on exposure and vaccination. That should be a clue to people who can't understand the science, but you guys are filling your heads with bullshit and thrashing around instead of learning. It's such a waste. It's going to be fun to see what the history books say about you guys 20-30 years down the road. None of you can read or write worth a damn, so I assume you won't get a say in what they teach the children about you, but I hope the kids will get to ask why you were all so dumb. I'm wondering too.

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r3volution.gurl said:

So the reason the covid shot ISN'T really a vaccine is because the antibodies don't actually last.

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morrowasted said:

Again, no whining from me.

larry.fisherman said:

He asked a basic question and now people are whining at him, telling him he's the problem. Pot, meet kettle. How's your life today?

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Track the conversation. What he said was that he is not asking the question in good faith.

The tendency to collapse any claim made by others into an Us vs Them, Good vs Bad, Problem vs Solution dichotomy is very telling.

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nooneman said:

r3volution.gurl said:

So the reason the covid shot ISN'T really a vaccine is because the antibodies don't actually last.

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That's not accurate.

All vaccines cause an immediate rise in antibodies that falls off over time. There are also different types of antibodies. Some rise immediately after infection and then fall below detectable levels, others stay around for longer, but all of them over a long enough period of time fall. That's why you might need a tetanus booster as an adult even if you had one as a child.

Still the body is pretty good at remembering diseases it's encountered before even when the levels of antibodies have fallen over a long period of time. These "memories" get stored in memory t-cells which there are very few of. They exist so that when the body encounters a disease it has fought off before it can quickly generate new antibodies.

Think about it, if everything you'd ever encountered caused a permanent rise in antibodies, your body would be flooded with so many antibodies you'd die. Instead, antibodies naturally rise after infection and then fall over time. Memory of disease is preserved by small amounts of cells in case you're infected again. Over a long enough period of time, even this small reserve of cells can reduce in size to the point where you need a tetanus booster (for example). The body also varies naturally in how well it remembers diseases in general. This is a function of the disease rather than the vaccine.

There are also different types of covid vaccines, so it's not like they're all the same thing. We have very traditional vaccines for it based on dead or modified versions of the virus, then there are also traditional vaccines based on modifying a harmless virus to give you immunity to covid, and then we also have the brand new mRNA vaccines that work totally differently. They're all vaccines, but I'd like to point out that there are very traditional vaccines for covid that are much the same as the kind of vaccines you got for tetanus or whooping cough as a child. The brand new mRNA vaccines just happen to be a lot more effective than those so they get used more, but they're all vaccines.

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Asante said:

Notice how we're not answering that one till you are one of us




Well, currently there have been 9 billion jabs given, of which 1 billion in the last 4 weeks and nobody turned into The Fly yet. Tons of antivaxxers are looking their asses off to find spectacular dirt on the vax but they cannot, when they did, it alwaus proves to be a hoax.


ITS OVER 9000000000 !!

Join the ranks

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Asante said:

longbus said:

I need a job man. I'm super against the way things are going but I need a job.

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Get the jab, get the job.

I would be acting against your best interest if i dissuaded you to get jabbed

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longbus said:

Only one person answered my question. You guys are fucked if you expect me to dig through over 200 pages to find an answer. Fuck it I just won't get vaccinated then if this is how much of pricks people are even after trying to be reasonable.

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HEY FUCKER! How about a little appreciation. I agree that it's unreasonable to expect you to read the past 200 pages. even the last page is a big ask TBH. Moderna is an easy 2 dose shot that should keep you safe. Go get the shot and stay out of Florida. don't worry about the haters.

Asante said:

Asante said:

Notice how we're not answering that one till you are one of us




Well, currently there have been 9 billion jabs given, of which 1 billion in the last 4 weeks and nobody turned into The Fly yet. Tons of antivaxxers are looking their asses off to find spectacular dirt on the vax but they cannot, when they did, it alwaus proves to be a hoax.


ITS OVER 9000000000 !!

Join the ranks

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Asante said:

longbus said:

I need a job man. I'm super against the way things are going but I need a job.

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Get the jab, get the job.

I would be acting against your best interest if i dissuaded you to get jabbed

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Asante said:

longbus said:

IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT VACCINES WILL FUCK YOU UP FOR LIFE?!

I'm worried that there is some hidden agenda to vaccinate everyone so that they can alter their dna somehow and then have some sort of killswitch that the elite can activate whenever tehy want and kill all the population agenda 21.

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Longbus:



In that shot are bioactive molecules that will trigger your body into producing antibodies thatb are active against many strains of Covid.

You are having a paranoid fantasy. There is no killswitch in the vaccine and it doesnt alter your DNA.

Vaccine skeptics are analyzing the crap out of those vaccines trying to catch the evil THAT IS NOT IN THEM.

Its a medical procedure.

If not the health of you and your close ones, your job relies on it.

Income for your household in these hard times.

Its not going to fuck you up and "they"cant send a signal over 5G to turn it into a killer.

Remember science? Carl Sagan and Michio Kaku n shit?

Science is behind this, have some.




PROTEST IN ANOTHER WAY. A revolution is needed yes, but dont do it in a way that costs you a job and can make loved ones sick.

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How much is enough?

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antibodies are important to have already for a specific virus IF your immune system isn't already functioning at it's highest potential

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Ima Trooper said:

you're not asking in good faith, you just want to fight about something because your life is sad and pathetic and arguing with people online makes you feel alive.

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morrowasted said:

Frankly the whole notion that there is some kind of unified immune system is a mistake.


You have multiple organs that make certain kinds of cells that do certain kinds of things. The sum total result of these functions is presumably what people mean when they say the immune system, and it's can be a nifty shorthand, but it's proving to be the case that it can also be a dangerous tool of rhetoric in the hands of somebody who doesn't realize that it is an oversimplification.

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morrowasted said:

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antibodies are important to have already for a specific virus IF your immune system isn't already functioning at it's highest potential

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you can't possibly be taking yourself seriously with this kind of crap


There is no such thing as having a "good" immune system. Your immune system either does it's job or it doesn't. Having an inordinately "strong" immune response is not desirable and is in fact often what we call autoimmune disease. Part of your immune system's job is generating antibodies. But under "natural" circumstances they do this in response to infection. The advantage of getting vaccinated is that you trick acquired immune system into generating antibodies. It's one of the safest medical interventions imaginable, and anyone who chose not to accept this gift that was freely offered to them is not making a wise choice. I'm used to dealing with people who make self-destructive healthcare related decisions. I do it all day long. People who don't manage their diabetes and then have to get amputations. People who don't manage their chronic heart or kidney failure and end up needing to get stents or go on dialysis. This grants me a measure of patience when dealing with those who choose not to get vaccinated that many of those who choose to get vaccinated may not have. It doesn't baffle me anymore that people make stupid decisions with respect to their own health. That doesn't make those decisions any less stupid.

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I never argued that. We aren't talking about specifics academically. So not sure who you're trying to teach, I'm well aware and that was implied. There is ample evidence of the difference between good working immune systems and not good ones, like you said, they either work or don't which I figured was obvious when I said that, but apparently you guys just want to nitpick to avoid the issues. Let's keep focusing on what I know and don't know because that serves a great purpose to the issue right? Academically educated people are honestly sometimes an ego hinderence to society. You are not special or have privy info dude.

Again people have the right to decide what they want for their bodies. My mother has no immune system and can't get the shots because they will probably do more harm than good. She also has active shingles which signals her immune system isn't functioning. Not everyone benefits from the covid shots. And it's factually not a solution on it's own, also mandated shots will not work. Stick to the topic at hand.

larry.fisherman said:

He asked a basic question and now people are whining at him, telling him he's the problem. Pot, meet kettle. How's your life today?

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That's his MO: ask a question, then talk shit about the answer. His questions have all been answered.

Actually that's a very popular thing to do nowadays: asking questions you know aren't in good faith, then pretending to be shocked when confronted "woooow, I'm just asking questions, jeeeeez!" 

Ima Trooper said:

longbus said:

Yeah they do, they rewrite it or something.

This is bullshit, I might be getting a job where I have to travel to the USA for training and now I can't do it. I'm just wondering what vaccine is the most similar to vaccines I already have. I really don't care about the effectiveness either.

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J&J is the one that is based on outdated vaccine technology and doesn't work as well, as well as has the most side effects, so that's the one you're looking for.

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