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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Peace

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
Peace


and productivity

assuming the subtle is productive.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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It's an interesting question. One devotes energy according to their strength, say, solely to a liberating meditative bent, at least in the ideal. Inherent is that it also affects others, as the idea that prayer would, the entanglement. Is the meditating hermit productive? In spite of my limitations I consider it a working machine. Yet it is difficult for the ego on the outside, needless to say.

It is actually much for the ego, as in the language of Shiva's liberating grace, levels of station, so to say, according to one's desires that need to be fulfilled or otherwise completed, much less karmas.

It would be more difficult to see it as productive if only for myself, although from a point of view it shouldn't be, as a teacher said, you cannot really help others unless you are beyond the need of help yourself. But it is by the will of others as well as my own, and for the benefit of others.

It reminds of an example given by a teacher - he sees people making money, succeeding in their careers, yet without a proportional moral/spiritual advancement, the character degrades.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro] * 1
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Do you practice Fasting? I had the idea that Ghandi could obtain favor by fasting. Therefore a person of good character spiritual/moral could use fasting as a tool in productivity.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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It goes to the thread topic, the qualities. Doing some beneficial work like in authentic healing or advancement of tech, these would be considered rajasic, that with goodness in them, some sattva. But meditation or invocation would be considered much more sattvic. The argument would go, the more sattvic or subtle, the more powerful. 

Dunno, somebody has to build the roads. We either pay them to do it while we meditate or tend to the Ai, or we do it ourselves.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
Do you practice Fasting? I had the idea that Ghandi could obtain favor by fasting. Therefore a person of good character spiritual/moral could use fasting as a tool in productivity.


I've done some fasting for spiritual purposes, more recently for health. I don't do it now, but I think intermittent fasting is a good thing. I know some who take fasting seriously on certain days, like holy days. There is a day in the moon calendar that is considered auspicious for fasting.

Edited by syncro (12/05/21 02:21 PM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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Quote:
AnattaAtman said: I
like the Buddhadust translations better ("Beggars" instead of
"Monks"), even though it may be a bit controversial.


Fasting, in the sense of deprivation, might be a method of putting a rich man on the level of a beggar.

ref: rich man/ camel/ kingdom of heaven

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Not directly.

Edited by syncro (12/05/21 03:40 PM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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It's funny that some humans are better at restraining themselves from desires then the hindu gods, LOL!

Their desires are their qualities, birth, destruction, vanity, lust, rage, etc..

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Re: The Qualities [Re: teknix]
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In separating the subtle from the gross we might see thru crude generalities, heh heh.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
Fasting, in the sense of deprivation, might be a method of putting a rich man on the level of a beggar.


"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:24

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Re: The Qualities [Re: AnattaAtman]
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So my theory is that Ghandi as head of state and far from deprived was able to outlast his adversaries in competition for the favors from ascended masters thru the loophole of fasting.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
So my theory is that Ghandi as head of state and far from deprived was able to outlast his adversaries in competition for the favors from ascended masters thru the loophole of fasting.


And not just fasting: strict regulatory control of digestion - daily enemas at the ashram. And complete abstinence from any sexual desires.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: CreonAntigone]
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I think the handicapped and disadvantaged fit "the first will be last and the last will be first" better than adopted regimens.

Naturally then the 'Word of God' is spread to disadvantaged bushmen tribes who would otherwise follow their instincts to kill and manipulate to their advantage, imo.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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It seems it would go deeper to a science of consciousness. One lives and dies by what they think they are. Falsehood disappears, pride falls, by the sword, by the sword...

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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Darshan is a self-realization as the self must hold the quality of the vision, or at least receive the quality in the grace. When you see me, you will see me as I am; one must have become like him.

It is argued consciousness can only perceive its likeness, therefore all things seen must as well have the nature of consciousness. Those times when surroundings become as light within.

I'm not saying you have to believe it. Maybe more so I say it to try to remember.

You shroomies are cheaters. I mean that with humor. I go with practices and such only, and the spans can be dreadful. Shroomie types though possibly will need the chemical to continue to make the states right?

But if you can cultivate your own maybe you're sitting good. May our cultivations be successful. When good I say ABC, always be cultivating.

Edited by syncro (12/07/21 04:31 AM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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LOL, I've been here 20 years and haven't grown a mushroom or ever tripped beyond a threshold experience, I put that down as being an extremely slow learner, so don't think that we are divided by chemical insights.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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I didn't actually think in particular that you were BB, though thoughts are welcome.

I may be misunderstanding - Are you saying you think users of psychedelics are slow learners? Because there are some profound, freakish intellects who do so, and in the use I think could have accelerated into that seeing.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
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I believe the meaning of life is entertainment, so no I wouldn't place any practice as deficient in the learning process that can span life-times.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
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That's a good view. I think it is sattvic, as long as the entertainment is not at the expense of others or oneself. Not saying I'm great at that.

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