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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: schmutzen]
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You laugh but we both know you can't hang bro.

No question about it


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 2
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Someone's gotta bring some balance to the extremism in this thread while you guys act like you're saving the world or something posting on a drug forum about how anti vaxxers are this or that and we should do this or that.

See the same old names in here circle jerking each other scaring off anyone who goes against your opinion posting nothing worth reading acting like your God's gift

I really wanted to try and be productive to this thread but it's hard with the garbage posts that come through here

Never shoulda looked at this shit


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
...while insisting data they post must be lies and manipulated since it doesn't fit their narrative...


:notsureif:


"You think you're better than me? You think you better than ME?? Well IM better than YOU!"
...man, this culture war shit is brutal. Literally killing people of a preventable disease.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Don't bro me if you don't know me.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Lynnch]
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Where you been for the last ten years in an uproar about heart disease and diabetes? Both preventable

Wonder how we would fare as a society if we werent already so sick and obese

But ignore all that, the vax is the answer we seek

What a wonderful solution

Let's see how it plays out


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 1
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Enkidu said:
In my area new daily covid cases are down almost 90% since January

Also interesting that we have a ton of Mennonites in my area whom don't get vaccinated nor wear masks whos communities have all been unscathed by covid

Guess I'm lucky that I'll never be fired for not getting vaccinated since my industry has huge demand with noone to fill it

Tons of work and noone to do it since people are lazy as shit and physically incapable these days


https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

Meanwhile nearly all (99.99%+) vaccinated people have not gotten seriously sick or died from COVID since being vaccinated.

These things are a lot less confusing when you just look at the data instead of relying on anecdotes. Just because you think you see an outlier doesn't mean anything in terms of the big picture and the current reality.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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You just posted a link that's draws a correlation between deaths while stating the fact that there's no way to determine the deaths were or were not related to covid

Great science. I wonder what the message is meant to convey


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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I usually search for things to disprove my bias

Meaning ive spent time going over data that supports covid vax argument while everyone here does the opposite

Noone here is interested in a single thing that goes against their opinion while stating the same about me

I mean people here have literally bashed data and information they were not willing to view and I've seen posts with data that went against their opinion they claimed must be conspiracy while stating anti vax is all a conspiracy

It will be interesting to see how things play out over the long term.

I know last time they said if we wore a mask this would be over soon then now we have a new variant and everyone needs to get a vax or let's dehumanize them and take away every right they have based on fear and pretty lackluster data


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
You just posted a link that's draws a correlation between deaths while stating the fact that there's no way to determine the deaths were or were not related to covid

Great science. I wonder what the message is meant to convey


Sure, excess deaths of up to 125% in one month corresponding with COVID deaths in surrounding communities definitely aren't because of COVID, must be all those suicides from the lockdowns.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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So out of those 99.99 vaccinated what percent wouldn't have gotten seriously sick without the vaccine?

Are those all stats based on people who got the vax and then got covid or where is this data coming from ?

A lot of information posted here leaves out important aspects in understanding what the data actually reveals.

But you all Wana believe what you Wana believe and aren't open to anything else

That's pretty obvious based on the posts here

Major ego trips going on with some self righteous hypocrisy mixed in

Bunch of American heroes


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
I usually search for things to disprove my bias

Meaning ive spent time going over data that supports covid vax argument while everyone here does the opposite

Noone here is interested in a single thing that goes against their opinion while stating the same about me

I mean people here have literally bashed data and information they were not willing to view and I've seen posts with data that went against their opinion they claimed must be conspiracy while stating anti vax is all a conspiracy

It will be interesting to see how things play out over the long term.

I know last time they said if we wore a mask this would be over soon then now we have a new variant and everyone needs to get a vax or let's dehumanize them and take away every right they have based on fear and pretty lackluster data


I posted a pretty long description of why the video you posted awhile back was bullshit, you never responded...

You want things to be one way, you'll warp your reality as you see fit to make it look that way, oddly the exact same thing you're in this thread fuming about other people doing. The difference is that the majority of people posting here get their data from valid sources, while based on the vid you posted you appear to be letting crazies on youtube do the thinking for you.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
Quote:
Enkidu said:
You just posted a link that's draws a correlation between deaths while stating the fact that there's no way to determine the deaths were or were not related to covid

Great science. I wonder what the message is meant to convey


Sure, excess deaths of up to 125% in one month corresponding with COVID deaths in surrounding communities definitely aren't because of COVID, must be all those suicides from the lockdowns.


Idk I personally don't try and play the guessing game I just sit back and observe

So far everyone in my family and everyone I know more or less (some of which have had covid) have not been hospitalized and not a single direct family member has had covid

Guess I'm just lucky and you guys are living in some crazy areas seeing shit I'm not exposed to.

Of those family members I have family in new York, Florida, Pittsburgh, Colorado, Memphis, so people all around

Guess we all just lucky and blessed.

I'd hate to be living in a state of fear and paranoia, I just keep it pushing unbothered.

But people apparently want my family to get covid and die so that I take it serious and regret not getting vaccinated, according to posts found in this thread

No I've gone through all the data you posted actually and I gaurantee with no doubt I've spent more time trying to understand the vax argument than anyone here has tried to understand the opposing views.

You're doing the same thing. Warping your reality to fit your view.

Ain't just me brother


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
So out of those 99.99 vaccinated what percent wouldn't have gotten seriously sick without the vaccine?


About 29 times more than vaccinated people according to the latest data.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Well that graph is very convincing.

That come from a specific website ? If like to check it out


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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Enkidu said:
You're doing the same thing. Warping your reality to fit your view.

Ain't just me brother


I'm really not. If I was discussing COVID based on my own agenda I'd just say 'fuck it, open things up and everyone for themselves' because I'm not particularly worried about my own health and I'm beyond sick of covid restrictions.

Working with COVID patients since March has shifted my perspective, as has losing family members, seeing family members younger and far healthier than me get hospitalized or severely sick, having an immunocompromised mother who's body didn't respond to the vaccine (she's in a study for it) due to chemo. I don't pay attention and talk about covid to further entrench myself in what I believe, I do it because it helps me stay informed and make the best decisions I can.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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I'd be interested to see how it compares to the % of population vaccinated, know what I mean?

Like if only 10% of the population was vaccinated then higher hospitalization for unvaccinated would statistically make sense but if there is a high % of vaccinated and those are the numbers then I'd start to believe that the vaccine may be effective

My personal main concern and worry is that this is not a long-term solution and the effectiveness of the vaccine as time progresses as well as the impact it would have on potentially escalating variants etc


As well as not agreeing with the social repercussions being imposed

I've always preferred to get sick and beat things naturally (the flu) as opposed to getting a shot to try and build immunity. Mixed with the potential impact of creating stronger more resistant and resilient viruses

I feel like that is the natural way and make sense. Im one for being strong and taking preventive measures in the form of taking ones health and we'll being into their own hands

I get vitamin d from the sun

I get my nutrients from the food I eat

I do trust nature provides all I need and i don't trust man. Especially now days and especially when they want to impose their will on my God given life.

I'm sorry for the way covid has negatively impacted you. I've been having to trust what other people say as my personal and direct experience has not in the least been anything close to what is being described.

And I'm not the type of person to put my trust in others when it contradicts what my personal direct experience has shown me


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 2
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Enkidu said:
Idk must be all the hard work they do day in and day out and all the fresh farm food they grow themselves.

Went and picked up some metal for a roof we installed out in this 90 degree weather and these guys really work.

Bet they'd put you to shame and make you look like an old sick dog


Idk where you live but the Amish and Mennonite communities have been hard hit by covid.

Fresh farm food is not a cure for covid. Stop being stupid.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

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The death rate for that year soared above the baseline average from 2015 to 2019, with the largest spike – 125% - occurring in November.


That is much higher than the general population. Not surprising a bunch of people that eschew modern
Medicine would be getting sick at higher rates. Maybe their farm food isn’t that fresh.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (08/25/21 06:23 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
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feevers said:
Enkidu said:
So out of those 99.99 vaccinated what percent wouldn't have gotten seriously sick without the vaccine?


About 29 times more than vaccinated people according to the latest data.




Again there’s no way to rationalize with these people. They have a religious belief and no amount of data will change their mind. That’s why the vaccines have to be mandated. You can’t make stupid people smart. You have to make their lives difficult being unvaccinated. We are dealing with children.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
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Wonder how we ever survived without vaccines

All I know is that when we went to get our metal for work I talked to the guy working there and asked him how he had been impacted by covid, work etc, and he basically said that they haven't had issues from it.

So I guess just another case of people in my life and my personal experience vs what the media etc is saying is going on. So I'm forced to decide if I trust my direct experience or trust the news and media and what they are saying which contradicts what I'm experiencing.

"Don't be stupid" that's really good advice koods. Thank you for that. Ill try my best not to be stupid.

Well the food you eat is pretty much directly related to and impacts your health and well being. Aren't there comments on here talking about vitamin c or something? Did you tell them not to be stupid or just me?

Look at all the diseases that have been reversed and people who have been able to get off lifetime medications for diseases purely from changing th food they eat and their lifestyle habits. Things like diabetes, people who's arteries were cakes in grime that were cleared out from diet.

It's actually the number one best thing you can possibly do for your health. Don't be stupid koods.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Koods I'd love to meet you in person because I bet your opinion would change real quick.

Pretty typical.

You're obviously a great person though don't get me wrong. It's written all over this here web.

You strike me as someone who isn't at all unhappy with themselves and their life.


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