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mudpuppy
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ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

#27285986 - 04/29/21 05:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Habitat: NZ rainforest, North end of the South Island.. growing off wood, and hiding under mosses and leaf litter. Ones that had been stood on and damaged were bright blue, pristine ones white, blueing soon after contact.

Gills: dark brown/ chestnut brown

Stem: no stem visible/ pouch fungus

Cap: white, pouch-style; bruising to vivid azure. Various sizes from 5g to 25g

Spore print color: no prints sorry!

Bruising:
Azure

Other information: I took one particularly manky one home, and discarded the 4 others i picked... I may be able to get more info from this one.

I have attached a short video to get a sense of them.

Edited by mudpuppy (04/29/21 05:53 AM)

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Anglerfish
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: mudpuppy]
#27286004 - 04/29/21 05:28 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like it could be P. weraroa, but you need to take better pictures.

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mudpuppy
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: Anglerfish]
#27286022 - 04/29/21 05:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Check out the attached vid, if it helps?

Edit: i didn't come prepared for foraging: i was taking my daughter on her first tramping trip... noticed these little guys around and so took a few hurried pics and some samples while my daughter wasn't looking.

Edited by mudpuppy (04/29/21 06:17 AM)

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RenegadeMycologist
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: mudpuppy]
#27286063 - 04/29/21 06:24 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Not many people here are willing to download videos, it would be good to post some close up shots , clearly focused, natural ligting. Then we will all bite.

Maybe you even got oceanic psychoactives Overlord to chime in, but he as well has to work with something.

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#27286066 - 04/29/21 06:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely not weraroa.

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286067 - 04/29/21 06:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

You're spose to be trusted identifier Angler, and these are obviously not weraroa.

Rossbeevera pachydermis is more likely

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RogerTheRetard
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Registered: 07/28/17
Posts: 2,545
Loc: Auckland, NZ

Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: xthrx]
#27286069 - 04/29/21 06:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Rossbeevera pachydermis

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RogerTheRetard
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: xthrx]
#27286070 - 04/29/21 06:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

xthrx said:

You're spose to be trusted identifier Angler, and these are obviously not weraroa.

Rossbeevera pachydermis is more likely

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You know it my nigga...

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286089 - 04/29/21 07:19 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

xthrx said:

You're spose to be trusted identifier Angler, and these are obviously not weraroa.

I said "could be" and asked for better pictures. A mere suggestion, not an identification as such.

There IS a difference. :wink:

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Rossbeevera pachydermis is more likely

Now I learned something new, since I wasn't even aware of this species' existence. :thumbup:

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: Anglerfish]
#27286092 - 04/29/21 07:23 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Anglerfish said:

xthrx said:

Rossbeevera pachydermis is more likely

Now I learned something new, since I wasn't even aware of this species' existence.

Same here. New Zealand has such a rich fungi diversity.

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RogerTheRetard
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: Anglerfish]
#27286094 - 04/29/21 07:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

To be fair, Anglerfish is smart as fuck and totally worthy of his TI tag, but he has no field experience with Psilocybe weraroa due to his location and did not know about the Rossbeevera pachydermis look alike.

So his mis-identification is excusable.

All mycologists slip up sometimes, can't always be bang spot on all the time, especially when taking a guess at a species you have never handled in the field.

Even Alan incorrectly ID'd a Psilocybe tasmaniana as a Psilocybe semilanceata recently...
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286101 - 04/29/21 07:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Clavogaster virescens and Rossbeevera pachydermis are the two most common Psilocybe weraroa look alike species one could encounter.

If you hunt weraroa, you must be aware of these two in particular as they are both toxic...

Also for you foreign cats having a crack at a Psilocybe weraroa ID request, brush up on all three species and look at lots of photos of all three before even attempting to suggest an ID for them...
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Understand the difference between Psilocybe weraroa vs. Clavogaster virescens vs. Rossbeevera pachydermis before making any suggestions in the future.

All three species look alike superficially but have differentiating factors that must be taken into consideration...

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Mycoangulo

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286108 - 04/29/21 07:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely neither Psilocybe weraroa nor Clavogaster virascens.

Here is what the inside of Psilocybe weraroa looks like.

Note that the stipe can be seen to clearly go right to the top and attach very firmly in one image.

This isn't visible in the next image because I cut it at a bad angle not really knowing what I was doing back then, but it clearly shows the packed and twisted gill structure so I'm posting that photo to. Contorted, but clearly they are gills.

I don't have my own cross sections for the lookalike species yet, but this does show two features that the lookalike species will not have. Clavogaster virascens sometimes has the stipe reach the top, but the attachment is weak. Other times it only makes t part of the way.

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: RogerTheRetard]
#27286111 - 04/29/21 07:38 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Death penalty for Anglerfish.

Inexcusable act.

Off with his head !

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RogerTheRetard
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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

[Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#27286114 - 04/29/21 07:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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The Overlord hereby banishes Anglerfish from suggesting identifications for ANY New Zealand Psilocybe...

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286122 - 04/29/21 07:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Mycoangulo said:

Clavogaster virascens sometimes has the stipe reach the top, but the attachment is weak. Other times it only makes it part of the way.

Clavogaster virascens are also more elongated and look like sperms, and they do not bruise blue like Psilocybe weraroa do.

Clavogaster virascens has a ghostly kinda blue/violet hue colour, but does not actually stain blue like Psilocybe weraroa...

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286124 - 04/29/21 07:47 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

You've heard it Anglerfish. Submit to Overlord's supreme authority.
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#27286128 - 04/29/21 07:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Mycoangulo, hey, we appreciate your knowledge, but don't step in now. Overlord has chimed the fuck in.

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Re: ID request Psilocybe weraroa? Or weraroa virescens?

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#27286135 - 04/29/21 07:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

RenegadeMycologist said:

Mycoangulo, hey, we appreciate your knowledge, but don't step in now. Overlord has chimed the fuck in.

What are you? RTR's hype man?

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#27286136 - 04/29/21 07:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

RenegadeMycologist said:

Off with his head !

What head..? :dumblol:

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