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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher] * 1
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gopher said:
havnt ate anything today, planning to only eat small dinners for the next little while to see if I lose weight, having a green tea with ginger slices in it right now


wow a year and a half ago I was only doing OMAD, since then I have done dozens of 72 hour fasts, one 42 day fast for Lent, and for the last month I have been doing ADF during the week and 16:8 on the weekend, so I dont eat Monday, Wednesday and Friday and eat 16:8 on my eating days, I plan to do a week long fast soon to measure my ketones out of curiosity


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

Edited by gopher (06/29/20 08:23 AM)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher] * 1
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I don't have a set schedule or routine but I usually only eat one meal a day

I usually fast all morning and afternoon and then eat a dinner

I also take herbs and supplements and vitamins to make sure I've got all the nutrients I will need for the day (plus I'm an herbalist so experimenting with plant medicines is part of my day to day)

My friend swears on his grave that he did a two week water fast. He was also manic and off his meds and a hardcore Christian so all of these probably played a part. I couldn't go two weeks with nothing but water personally.

YouTube has a lot of info on fasting. It's really just a mental discipline you've gotta have

Good luck

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: pickthepick]
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Mainly just intermittent

Been a long while since ive gone longer than 16 hours, but i do morning fasts pretty regularly, or do liquids ans fruits till dinner

Im due for a longer one and some liquid and fruit cleansing


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: Enkidu]
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Doing omad or something like 20-24/2-4 imf regulary basics. If need more energy might add another meal. Today ate twice inside maybe 6 hours. Being in datza with family so eating with family and by theyr schedule. Both meals were moose and salad. Other meat meal was raw.
Beeing in ketosis most of the time of past 2 years.

For me and I think for most people the hardest part of fasting is coming over sugar/carb addiction, the fact that glutein turns into form of morphine in your body does not make it any easier to scip those things.

Like JSB said it is mostly willpower thing.

Have not made any longer fasts in this life sober but going to(like over 48h) but lots of IMF, probably going during this summer because school/work starts in august and going to be working with elder people so have to have full energy to be able to do all things safe.

2 things to everybody. Anything over 50 cal is going to end your fast.
Second if you want to make it easier for yourself first time start cutting the carbs down before starting the fast. I have been physically addicted to benzos,alcohol and opiates. Sugar/carbs/glutein addiction goes on the same level or even over them. Walking to food market and smelling the fresh bread for example brought up some very primitive feelings and urges when starting fast/induction period to ketosis.

And as far as ketosis goes I really can understand why religious people think that holy spirit/God/anything enters your body during fasting. For me this state is better than most drugs. And it kicks my manic and depression periods straight out the frigging door:heart:

When looking at what happens at cellular level during fasting or ketosis it becomes clear that fasting done right is not harmful but regenerating and healing to your body and mind.

First autophagy: when fasting for 16-24 hours this kicks in. Your body's own mechanism of cleaning and healing cells.

Second resetting the mitochondria: these are the energy factory's in our cells. With normal American diet they lose the ability to burn fat efficiently. Wich combined to the insulin resistance and combining carbs and sugar with fats makes people really obese.

And not a long way from here to metabolic syndrome(last phrase is just out of my mind, everything else can say is 100% fact checked when started to care of my own body more)

These two tools:keto and imf have been really important in the making of me taking the control of my body and mind back to me and let them heal.

Would highly suggest all most everyone to try these methods to see what can be done with them.

If somebody needs help or has questions about this just ask or throw a pm.

Peace&Love


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Edited by LeningradCowboy (06/25/20 07:40 PM)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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One more thing: being in ketosis when you start fast makes it walk in a park. Some people want the suffering there and push past it to make it truly battle of will. If you don't need to train this entering ketosis first makes it easier. You still have to go through cravings for sugar and headaches when you enter ketosis but you don't have to fight the hunger or carb addiction when starting fast.

Doing lots of keto and imf makes these transitions easier. And more you do it, the easier it comes.

When entered ketosis induction period for first time the feeling was not nice. May take over week or two for some people to start feeling better. And the crash from sugars or carbs was awful(insulin spike) but the more I started to wich between these 2 fuel sources (carbs and fat) the better my body's metabolic flexibility came. Making the switching between them easy. Now days switch between them is half hour of maybe having headache when running out of glucose. OK if I eat pasta for months I will feel it for couple days when switching to fat as main fuel source.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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And as it is becoming more and more clearly that metabolic syndrome is one of the worts things to have during covid I would suggest highly that EVERY member does keto/fasting reset to get theyr system back to track!


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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the thing is they say fasting lowers your immune system while you are fasting, and give it an extra boost for a while after you break it, Ive also heard starve a bacteria and feed a virus


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher]
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When fasting you enter ketosis. Ketosis lifts up your immunity as it does your libido for example. During transition there is small window when they are lowered though.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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Going to be bumping this up for week or something, most of the members would really benefit for fasting, at the moment even more cause obesity and metabolic syndrome make you a part of risk group or two.

Play safe to Stay safe.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
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Ive made quite a few posts here about fasting, most members are against it, back in like 2009 there were more members into things like this


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher]
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Then most members should do couple quick google searches about autophagy and what constant insulin shock does to your system.

Obesity is not healthy either.

And one thing, most native cultures had tradition of fasting before tripping. 

But yeah people will allways defend theyr drug of choice, be it heroin or shitty diet/eating habbits.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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Bump


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
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Hey thanks for sharing bro

Bringing this post back made me want to get back into my healthier eating and more fasting

Gotten away from me a bit this last year being busy with work and a little baby


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: Enkidu]
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It was my pleasure Brother.

Yeah life gets in the way of healthy habits too easy. Isolated my self this spring and after 2 months of carbs the debression kicked in so time to switch to back to keto.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
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LeningradCowboy said:
It was my pleasure Brother.

Yeah life gets in the way of healthy habits too easy. Isolated my self this spring and after 2 months of carbs the debression kicked in so time to switch to back to keto.



Keto helped my depression so well it's unreal...

I did IF and OMAD.. keto is WAY easier and i feel much better than fasting.. we are all different though :smile:


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: icetech]
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I find keto way harder then fasting, when I try keto I fall off the wagon in like 3 days, and I find it way more expensive cause I live with my parents, they make dinner for me so the only food I have to buy is if I want more then just dinner, so I spend maybe $100 a month on food if I eat the carb heavy foods my parents make for dinner

on keto I have to buy all my own foods, and I can easily spend $20 a day here to feed myself on keto, so on my current routine thats like over $300 a month, then I dont have enough money to buy my kratom cause I have to feed myself

I also spend 2-4 days a week at my gf's and she tries to feed me carb heavy foods too, but thats where most of my current grocery budget is spent, I try not to eat her food and buy my own food for her house

also in feb/march when asante was telling everyone to stock up on food for covid, I bought enough rice and beans and canned veggies to last 2 months or so, so I have been eating that once a week, to go on a tangent for a second, I listened to asante just in time, I finally caved and went out and bought supplies in march, then 4 days later panic hit my town and the shelves were bare for like a month lol

I dont think keto is for me, plus I hate the rules and the mods over at www.reddit.com/r/keto


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher]
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Odd that you have issues with the keto reddit, the mods are amazing there, the only real rule is don't be a dick pretty much. Place is very supportive.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: icetech] * 1
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you are not allowed to discuss anything listed in the wiki, they link you to the article and close your thread, that drives me nuts cause I might not agree with some things in thier wiki and want to talk about it, its likr they are saying I know best, you're an idot, fuck off

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oh yeah, the hive mind, every sub has one, but I dont relate to the one on r/keto, one person mentioned "dirty keto" and he got downvoted into oblivion and people were telling him to fuck off and shit, so I responded out of general curiosity why mentioning dirty keto was so bad, and then I got downvoted into oblivion and told it dosnt exist and was gatekeeping, but I dont agree with that, I think dirty keto is a thing, like if you were keeping your carbs below 20g or so, but eating pure junk like processed foods and 0 calorie drinks, that would constitute dirty keto to me


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

Edited by gopher (06/29/20 10:00 AM)

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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: gopher]
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gopher said:
you are not allowed to discuss anything listed in the wiki, they link you to the article and close your thread, that drives me nuts cause I might not agree with some things in thier wiki and want to talk about it, its likr they are saying I know best, you're an idot, fuck off



Ah k. I have never had that happen, but i think you are talking it wrong.. just like most forums people come in asking the same questions over and over and over... so it's just their way of trying to keep the spam down, but i get your point.


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Re: Teach me to fast! [Re: icetech]
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I just coincidentally found someone else complaining about the sub, I made a post on the intermittent fasting subreddit about people being too sensitive about spam, and some doctor told me try posting this to r/keto, he said hes been silenced for mentioning google and the Diet Doctor podcast/blogs https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/comments/hi0sgn/unpopular_opinion_i_think_this_sub_is_too_hard_on/


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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