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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II
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I assume that you mean, just ONE cell or a culture so small that the amount of psilocybin would be non-existent/ indetectable.

You would have to be fucking certain that you got absolutely all the water in whatever youre innoculating.
"Oh shit, my culture just evaporated..."

Maybe using psilocybin levels, it could be determined the smallest detectable biomass of mycelium and then put that in a sterile test tube or other such medium dry, and then the user could add water or such.

This sounds like just asking for trouble...they are still gonna arrest you whether you mail a syringe with 3000 invisible chunks floating in water or just one invisible chunk floating in water.
Doing this would really only actually save you legally if you were attempting to change the existing laws, and if they ended up changing them, they'd probably just outlaw the whole sheband, spores and all.



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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: oOjonahOo]
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Well, once cell wouldn't do it, but just enough hyphae that the mycelium will spread quickly. Well, you see, that's the beauty of it though. If you can squirt the whole syringe out in the test tube and then test for psilocybin, it would come back "0". So they COULDN'T nab you, the laws aren't against mycelium they're against psilocybin.

But this is only in theory and I'm not willing to gamble my life away so I dont plan on hawking this idea or anything.


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: Kast]
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Don't you guys know anything about usuable amount in drug laws?

OK say you got pulled over and they found a couple of stems of marijuana in your ashtray, and they arrested you for possession of marijuana. Case law over and over and over again demonstrates that there has to actually be a useable amount of the contraband item in order to consider that you are in possession of the substance for the purposes of illegal use. Gosh comon you guys aren't that dumb or have you become the objects that you enjoy? I dare you to find a usuable amount of psilocybin/psilocin in any of my syringes, besides others are freely trading mycelial cultures on many of the spore trading posts etc.

Will you people get over your paranoia of the gov't? Since when are we to be afraid of the govt anyway, I thought this was america the land of the free where we loved our government and they valued the principles of freedom and liberty..................


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
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Apparantly you haven't heard of the Zero tolerance laws that are prevalent(sp) throught many States....maybe you should go to yahoo and do a search on Zero-Tolerance before calling people Dumb

Relax..it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more ARRGGHH! but you may feel a little sick


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
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Listen dude noone would be happier than us if you are right. Thing is people want to be sure...

Anyone know for sure?

BTW, the Drool refers to the Drool Donkey where I first saw your post.


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
    #267616 -

Cowboy wasn't calling anyone stupid. I think it's great that someone is challenging the laws. And it's really not that he's so much challenging them, though. He IS right about the amount of mycelium/psilocybin, etc. Hell, at least it's another option for cultivators. I say go for it!


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: Mushroom God]
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Zero tolerance, much tolerance, has no bearing on constitutional limits and criminal courts procedures as defined by many state and federal court case laws a couple are below

California Cases:
People v. Leal, Cal. 2d 504, 413 P.2d 665, 50 Cal. Rptr. 777
(Cal. May 02, 1966); People v. Johnson, 5 Cal. App. 3d, 85 Cal. Rptr. 238 (Cal. App. 4 Dist.
Mar 24, 1970).

irregardless, in order to find possession, the state has to prove that the defendant knowingly possessed an illicit substance, the mycelium in all states except california is not what is illegal, what is illegal is psilocybin/psilocin itself.

If you don't know that the mycelium has this illicit contraband substance, then you are not in violation of any criminal statue. I am not giving away psilocybin, nor do I claim that my mycelium even contains those substances, they have the ability to produce those substances if the person who gets it does something with it.

but that is not my problem, therefor the burden is not upon me, nor am I violating any statue by giving away mycelium culture samples, again, I do not state what samples they are nor do I state what the use is for the mycelium cultures or the kits, you may infer all you want but that will not cut it in a court of law.

In fact I emphatically state that the kits are not for the use of any illegal purpose.

Perhaps I used the wrong word, I maybe should have used ignorant,

I am a trained legal support intake specialist and have dealt with thousands if not more drug possession, illegal search and seizure cases. When you have attained the level of knowledge about criminal courts and procedures on illicit substances then you may call me on my accusation that people are dumb. Until then you are way out of line and very ignorant of the way things work in this area.

In December, 1999, I was charged with 2 counts of possession of marijuana 1 count of paraphenailia, 2 counts of resisting arrest without violence, one count of tresspassing after warning, and one count of dui.

All of which had been dropped or dismissed, with a minimal of effort and none of which preceeded to trial. I know what I am doing unlike most who try to tell me what the law is. Ever heard the term "Jailhouse lawyer"?
Maybe you should be the one doing a search on google for usable amount
or even better yet, come with me to the law library and lets see how many people have been busted for possession of mycelium syringes..........

Grand total of ZERO


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
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cool...

let's hope we see some major spore vendors selling clone syringes in the future!


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
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How can you say zero tolerence has no bearing? Your "stem" example in your other post is definitly flawed as any cop..and judge for that matter will tell you. Now the person who is possesing those stems may not get prosocuted to the full extent of the law (unless the judge has a hard-on over it) but it does give the "ARRESTING" officer probable cause to arrest you. Do you want to go through that? As for the Mycelium syringes according to the law if it contains any psilocybin/psilocin it is illegal. Now i may be ignorant as to if it does or not and i'll admit that but your statement that it has to be a usable amount is completly false and i've known people who have been busted for having less then a roach in the ashtry ( a very small amount..less than a hit). I don't believe that people are worried so much about the penalty as they are the hassle of having to go through a tedius court hearing process..or up to as you have...tell me something, was the process a pain in the ass?

In the case of People v. Leal isn't he arguing against being prosecuted for possesing residue amongst other defendants, and not the actual drug? (too many people not enough drug?)If this is the case then your stem (which i think still contains THC (i think that's what's in MJ)) is comparing apples to oranges.

The bottom line is i want this to be safe for everyone and if i'm mistaken or ignorant(which can happen) then you have my apologies but i personally don't like walking the tightrope anymore then i have to. If this process is legal then i say more power to ya and i'd be the first to order and who knows i might.

great debate however..you are on the ball

Relax..it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more ARRGGHH! but you may feel a little sick


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Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: Innvertigo]
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Well said Innvertigo. Definitely well said.

I dont know what it's like where you come from, but I knew a guy that got busted for posession and all he had were a few stray cannabis seeds in his vehicle.


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: Kast]
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OK let me emphasize something here:
the cops can and do arrest people all the time for stuff that is not illegal,
the only way we ensure our freedom is to challenge when the cops do something like that.
I have been arrested a handful of times for registering people to vote, simply because I am handing out pro marijuana legalization literature. Free speech? Sure but the cops didn't know that. And how many people have been ordered to stop and did or were arrested and plead guilty to something that really isnt illegal? probably lots. that is why I fight and win and sue them.
So continue to live being a sheeple instead of a freedom loving American if you'd like but I wont be in jail or arrested anytime soon for giving out mycelium suspensions, just like I did not get into trouble for giving out mycelium jars, the reason I stopped that, too time consuming and I had no time to keep up with it.
The kits and syringes, much easier.

OK I will make the promise here. If you are arrested because you are in possession of one of my syringes, I will provide you with as much legal help as you need to adequately defend the case.

How's that for a guarantee.........




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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
    #267927 -

You make a good point. I wish there were more like you. Most people dont have the background or knowledge in law that you have.

And that's one hell of a guarantee, if I needed such a thing I would definitely buy it from you!


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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: cowboy-nfsg]
    #268022 -

can we call you Johnny Cochran (sp) then?

Relax..it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more ARRGGHH! but you may feel a little sick


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Mycelium Syringes For Sale II [Re: Dirtmaster]
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When you get busted for mushrooms you are charged with packaging a controlled substance. Like if you were to put coke in a capsule, you have gained yourself an extra charge. Except with mushrooms it is the primary charge. There is no "usable amount" applied twords the packaging law.

The new bb blows ass.

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