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OfflinePsychonaut
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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek
    #21650 - 06/23/00 03:52 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

See below.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21651 - 06/23/00 12:01 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

for those of you on drugs:
DO NOT do this on a gas range!


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21652 - 06/23/00 12:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

why what are you trying to do?? why all the chemicals?? i thought the idea was clean no shit. i mean they're yours and all go do whatca like but damn


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21654 - 06/23/00 04:13 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Correction, Ethanol is drinking alcohol, Methanol is wood alcohol and if drunk can cause blindness. On the other hand it leaves no residue when it evaporates so there is no cause to be worried about chemicals, it's all still clean, in fact, it is cleaner than what you started out with.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21655 - 06/23/00 11:26 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

will the methonal kill the bacteria in contaminated cakes? also where do i get methonal from?


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21656 - 06/23/00 02:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Shit dude,it's one thing if once in a while someone gives out faulty growing advice,and somebodies crop dies or something,but quite another when you say something that could kill or seriously injure a person.

Methanol is POISON!!!!!



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21657 - 06/23/00 02:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, calm down!! Methanol alcohol is only poisonous if you drink it straight, once it evaporates, there is no trace of the alcohol left, you have nothing to worry about, don't get so hostile!


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21658 - 06/23/00 03:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

shit yall tore that correction up. i know what meth. is and i was sayin i cant under stand why youd want to bath mushys in alcohol. like throwin erb in butter i just cant comprehend WHY--are you tired of shrooms already? it just sounds to me like people who cook coke into dope.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21659 - 06/23/00 03:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

It just concetrates the drug in the shrooms, easier to dose, and less choking down nasty mushrooms and stomach aches.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21660 - 06/23/00 05:32 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

personally, i don't understand why you'd want to extract. if you don't like eating shrooms just grind them up and put em in gels.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21661 - 06/23/00 06:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I defenitly should have put the importance of totaly evaporating all the methanol. And Starr covered it thanks.

As for reasons for extraction. Well you can extract cakes and not have to eat vermiculite. Less nausea. Less conspicous than a pound of shrooms sitting around, easier to eat one gell cap than 10 etc.



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21662 - 06/23/00 06:57 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Plus, extracting stuff is cool and you can tell all your friends you can extract controlled substances, etc.

I can't think of any reason I would do this, but it is still nice to know, thanks bomb.



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21663 - 06/23/00 07:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Oh? my mistake?I didn?t read the post fully. Ethanol NOT, Methanol, is drinking alcohol.
Anyways people have been using ethanol, in the same sort of method as described above, for many years.
The reason they use it as a extraction tec is to avoid the digestive system discomfort that mushrooms cause. Even with gel caps, some people get sick.

It would seem to me that ethanol would be much safer to use then methanol for this sort of Tec. So I will also have to add a word of cautions to anyone who?s planning to use methanol for this tec.
But, like I said above, ethanol is hard to find.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21664 - 06/23/00 07:45 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

bomb (and others)-
I wasn't critisizing the tek,but the statement that methanol is OK to drink...


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21665 - 06/23/00 08:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Where can one find methanol???
Methanol is in moonshine. mmm. Everyone here should know about that. I know I sure do. And it dose not affect your vision that badly; i have been drinking sweet moonshine for three years now and only spots of my vision are blind; I can still drive ok.
Soooo where can you find this wonderful methanol.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21666 - 06/24/00 01:48 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Psychonaut- your right, why not use ethanol instead of methanol, and many teks call for ethanol. You were also right in your first post when you said methanol was hard to find, it is very hard to find, unless you know someone who can order it from a chemical supply company.
Ethanol is drinking alcohol. Otherwise known as EVERCLEAR. It is avalible at almost any Liquor store.It is 95% pure Ethanol,190 proof
Everclear is a more pure form of Moonshine.

Just ask the guy working at the store for Everclear, he'll know what you are talking about.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21667 - 06/24/00 01:52 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

No hitterg your wrong. Moonshine has ethanol-corn/grains and methanol-wood chips. Everclear does not have any methanol.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21668 - 06/24/00 02:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I am very sorry Tom, I stand corrected. I honestly thought that it was the other way around, Thank you for correcting that.

Anyways, the Everclear would still work just as good, Right?? At least a lot of teks have said you could use it.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21669 - 06/24/00 02:17 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Evereclear gets the job done but I prefer sweet sweet moonshine; you hallucinate more easily


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21670 - 06/24/00 02:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Really? Cool, that is another thing that I didn't know. That is what makes this BB work so well, everyone helps everyone else and somehow or another the correct info gets posted.
Tom, is moon shine avalible to the public?


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21671 - 06/25/00 03:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I think a lot of people are missing the point here.The purpose of extracting psilocybin /Psilocin from the shrooms or cakes is to purify. The end result of the purification /extraction would be a more pure
cleaner all round better trip. As your stomach doesnt have to digest mushroom fibre it should also work quicker. Extraction is a quest for purity.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21672 - 06/25/00 04:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, what he said, And what I said in my first post.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21673 - 06/25/00 05:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The whole point to me is that if at any point you have some utterly dead cakes and wish to eat them in any way, because we all know there are some serious alkaloids to be scavanged from them, the only real way is to extract said alkaloids from them. Now you can make some tea or whatever, but as, again, we all know, alcohol is the ultimate extractor for most situations. Be it ethanol or fuckin' Ice House if you're in a jam...there is no moral dilemma involved. If you think a cake would mind you raping it's alkaloids, then you should probably not do such a productive thing in the first place. Somebody has to do it, right? Just like somebody has to be watching Riki Lake, or else it wouldn't be on every fucking day.

Even better, plant the fucking cakes in the ground and see if you're lucky enough to have a yard full of pretty mushrooms in the near future...I did and I can tell you, the future isn't as far away as you think.
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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21674 - 06/25/00 01:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Can i just use like 198 proof graves ethonal alcohal (the drinking kind)??? your suposed to mix it with like punch and shit but will it work like methonal to extract ???


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21675 - 06/25/00 08:33 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Yes you can use ethanol instead of the methanol, There are a few reasons I use methanol. 1) it is easier to get where I live. Everclear is not legal in my state and I don't like to use denatured ethanol.
2) Methanol seems to evaporate better. 3) I was told that methanol just plain works better. (but have not verified)


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21676 - 06/25/00 09:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Hi there,

I am was thinking about trying something simmilar to this tek. I was planning on doing it with just plain old 80 proof vodka. I know it wont be as concentrated because it wont evaporate as completely, but has anyone had success doing this? I am also interested in knowing where one would have to go to get methonal. Also would this tek work with fine cut fresh shrooms?

Thanks, and take care.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21677 - 06/26/00 03:47 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I had no clue that Everclear was illegal in any state. Why is that?
How easy is it to get methanol where you live? Where do you get it from? Also, I thought that most methanol that the public had access to was denatured also.?


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21678 - 06/26/00 01:42 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

My understanding is that both methanol and ethanol, even when sold to chemistry labs, are denatured. But I'm no pro and I could be mistaken.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21679 - 06/26/00 04:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Several states have a maximum allowable proof for alcohol.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21680 - 06/26/00 07:26 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

MMMMMMMMMMM moonshine


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21681 - 06/26/00 08:09 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

quote:
Originally posted by hitterg:
Psychonaut- your right, why not use ethanol instead of methanol, and many teks call for ethanol. You were also right in your first post when you said methanol was hard to find, it is very hard to find, unless you know someone who can order it from a chemical supply company.
Ethanol is drinking alcohol. Otherwise known as EVERCLEAR. It is avalible at almost any Liquor store.It is 95% pure Ethanol,190 proof
Everclear is a more pure form of Moonshine.

Just ask the guy working at the store for Everclear, he'll know what you are talking about.

[This message has been edited by hitterg (edited June 24, 2000).]



ive seen methanol for sale at hardware stores and boat yards.



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21682 - 06/26/00 08:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Hi Bomb your technique is a little backwards dude that is not how you use methonal to extract the psilocybin/psilocin. secondly you do not use methonal to extract psilocybin/psilocin from colonized cakes you are suppose to use methonal to extract psilo from mycelium alone or mushrooms. NOT CAKES!

I ADVICE NO ONE TO ATTEMPT THE METHOD OF EXTRACTION DISCRIBED BY BOMB.

instead read the proper method of extract using methonal under grow/find - growing mushrooms - mycelium culture technique - the psilocybin producers guide a.k.a psilocybin production written by adam gottlieb

bomb your technique is as backward no offense, honestly just trying to help.



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21683 - 06/27/00 12:18 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Psychonaut,hitterg, bomb... :
Psilocybin is practicaly NOT SOLUBLE in ETHANOL. Please read the MERCK-index if you want to know more.


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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21684 - 06/27/00 12:26 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, that got me nowhere.

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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21685 - 06/28/00 04:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Am I to understand from this (MERCK-index) that you have to boil the solution that the mushrooms are in? If this is the case then why even bother trying to extract anything, most of the active substances will be broken down anyways.

Also, according to this, ethanol WILL still work if you can not find methanol. All of the articles that I have read said ethanol would work just fine.

I thought that all alcohol is a non-polar solvent, if this is true than any alcohol (other than denatured) should work, right?? It's just that the stronger it is, the better it will work.



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21686 - 06/28/00 04:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ALright... apparently psilo isn't soluble in ethanol, correct (according to the merck index link above), this means i wouldn't want to use everclear? Also... Once one does complete an extraction would there be any benefit to putting the extracted parts on mushrooms, would this make them more potent?

Also, someone said "secondly you do not use methonal to extract psilocybin/psilocin from colonized cakes you are suppose to use methonal to extract psilo from mycelium alone or mushrooms." aren't CAKES a form of MYCELIUM?

Confusion!



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Re: psilocybin/psilocin extraction tek [Re: Psychonaut]
    #21687 - 06/28/00 05:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

cornraven! i said that but obviously no one acknowledged me. the technique bomb discribed for extracting psilocybin using methonal is wrong, the correct method of extracting psilocybin using methanol is posted on this site, under grow/find - growing mushrooms - mycelium culture technique - the psilocybin producers guide.

as for your question let me clarify! cake are a substrate! mycelium is what colonizes the substrate. in the correct method of extracting the psilocybin from the mycelium discribed in "the psilocybin produces guide" it says the mycelium is first grown on agar, then the agar is filtered through a cloth inorder to remove the mycelium from the agar. then the agar is discarded and the mycelium is dried. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ARGUING I TOLD YOU WHERE THE METHONAL EXTRACTION TECH IS LOCATED! if you would have actually read it you would not be confused. I HAVE PERSONALLY USED THIS TECHNIQUE. THE INFO FOR EXTRACTING PSILOCYBIN FROM THE MYCELIUM THAT IS POSTED UNDER "MYCELIUM CULTURE TECHNIQUES" COME FROM THE BOOK "PSILOCYBIN PRODUCTION" IF YOU WOULD READ IT YOU WOULD UNDER STAND! but since you are probably one of those people who dosen't even bother to research a subject before you engage in argument over a subject my bet is you didn't even bother skiming the correct technique!



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