Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Here's a summary:

Trump was given hurricane forecasts that included Alabama.
Trump Tweeted his concern for the potentially impacted states, including Alabama.
The NWS issued a report saying that Alabama was NOT in the storm's path (I believe they should have added they were "90% sure").
The lamestream media had a field day making fun of Trump.
Trump defended himself.
The media made more fun of Trump for defending himself.

The media's point was to distract people from the real issues that were going on, just like Russiagate did so well.

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Citizen X said:

That’s not a forecast

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? The WEATHER FORCASTERS IN ALABAMA WERE WRONG? Did Alabama get hit?

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Now you're arguing something completely different while accusing me of arguing in bad faith.

YOU are the one that showed the forecasts going through Alabama.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Citizen X said:

That’s not a forecast

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Call it whatever you want.  Same story.

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No, it’s not the same story. Nowhere on that spaghetti map does it say forecast, prove me wrong.

koods said:

trump doesn’t even know what he’s looking at in this map and doesn’t even read the warning at the bottom that says the map is meant to compliment actual forecasts not replace them. This map was also 3 days old when he decided to make his warning about Alabama.

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This is a forecast. You can tell because there’s a single trajectory, and it says forecast

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Here's a summary:

Trump was given hurricane forecasts that included Alabama.

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koods said:

You are either lying or are just as ignorant as trump. I know you watched the video of the briefing.

At no point was he given a forecast that included Alabama. You can even tell trump seems to be overly focused on a possibility that the hurricane will continue moving in a straight line (across Florida into the gulf) and he is explicitly told that all the models show the storm going north (turning before reaching Florida and going up the east coast.)

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Quote:

A Message from Craig McLean: Hurricane Dorian and Exceptional Service

This following is the original message Craig McLean, NOAA Research Assistant Administrator, sent to all NOAA Research employees on the morning of Monday, September 9th regarding Hurricane Dorian and its wide-ranging impacts.

Dear Colleagues,

The fierce storm we know as Hurricane Dorian has concluded its ferocious path through the Bahamas and along the U.S. East Coast. Many of you have contributed to the excellent science that has underpinned the forecasts and current understanding of storms such as this one, which accelerated quite rapidly in intensity. The storm also presented challenges in track which improved with enhanced observations. We know that our collective work, from the scientists in the aircraft penetrating the storm, to the scientists deploying the glider picket line, to the modelers and folks working the physics of the storms, across OAR and in our CI'S, and across all NOAA Lines, we are working the problem in order to give the NWS forecasters the best tools we possibly can to keep America and our neighbors safe. Thank you.

During the course of the storm, as I am sure you are aware, there were routine and exceptional expert forecasts, the best possible, issued by the NWS Forecasters. These are remarkable colleagues of ours, who receive our products, use them well, and provide the benefit of their own experience in announcing accurate forecasts accompanied by the distinction of all credible scientists—they sign their work. As I'm sure you also know, there was a complex issue involving the President commenting on the path of the hurricane. The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should. There followed, last Friday, an unsigned press release from "NOAA" that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political. Our NOAA Scientific Integrity Policy and Code of Scientific Conduct make clear that all NOAA employees shall approach all scientific activities with honesty, objectively, and completely, without allegiance to individuals, organizations, or ideology. The content of this press release is very concerning as it compromises the ability of NOAA to convey life-saving information necessary to avoid substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. If the public cannot trust our information, or we debase our forecaster's warnings and products, that specific danger arises.

You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information. Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA's policies of scientific integrity. In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity. Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best. Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths. I will.

Thank you for your continued excellent work, and your trust. Carry on.

Craig McLean, NOAA Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Assistant AdministratorCraig N. McLean
Assistant Administrator
Oceanic and Atmospheric Research
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

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koods said:

You have to be trolling. Nobody can be this stupid.

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koods said:

And nobody told trump Alabama was well inside the cone and you know it.

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koods said:

you’re not being honest. I’m done

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