mushboy said:

Read my tea thread.

If I eat the shrooms I get liquid shits every time. Tea solves this problem because you discard the boiled shroom debris. And I dose multiple times a week every week for a few years now.

Ime potency issues come from poor drying methods. How did you dry?

The whole veil breaking=weaker potency is old wives tales. I've had sporulated to death shrooms melt my face off.

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Fun-G said:

Up the nitrogen content of your substrate. Since your using cakes this would be done by hydrating the mix with diluted coffee instead of just plain water.

I've been growing for over ten years and have tried many different cubensis varieties but the golden teachers have me hooked....my last two grows were gt's and I noticed a considerable difference between Ms genetics and potency, the first grow didn't have worm castings so the nitrogen was low and so was the potency but on the 2nd grow I added worm castings and dried them the same as the first batch using a fan.... the mushrooms will dry but still be a bit soft, this is ok. I have some in a bag for a week now and they smell like fresh mushrooms.

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Fun-G said:

Substrates high in nitrogen are proven by RR to show a increase in the strength of psilocybin per a dried gram. Cubensis contain 0.01% of psilocybin per a dried gram but it's the substrate median they're grown in that play a huge role in the overall strength of that 0.01% that's why bulk substrates are engineered to contain nitrogen, phosphorus, magnesium, calcium (gypsum) and etc..... there all minerals that are used by mycelium. Everyone knows that mushrooms will grow off Anything cellulose but that's just the material they decompose it has nothing to do with nutritional value of the substrate....everyone says coir is nutritious
When it's not....its just cellulose it has no vitamins or minerals that also get broken down and digested by mycelium during the reproductive phase of mushroom development.....the tissue of a mushroom is cellulose bit its what's went into the conversion of that tissue during its development phases.... I believe the word used to describe it is alkloid.

Anyways, re did the write up on adding coffee to rye grain cause he found elevated nitrogen helped promote stronger mushrooms. Do a search on it and you'll find the thread, and I always found in my own grows that nitrogen rich substrates always produced very potent mushrooms. The last two current grows are not my first rodeo with cubensis and nitrogen dabbling with the substrates.

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RR added coffee to rye berries for stone producers not cubes

Do a quick search on increasing potency and you'll see they all get told that NO you can not just magically add something to your substrate and get stronger mushrooms, it's genetics and if your using grains or BRF then nutrition isn't an issue

So in your experience its either placebo or purely genetics because MS genes vary widely so

this 'rich' substrate was dirt from outside and a dash of brf.



potency was on point.

Fun-G said:

everyone says coir is nutritious
When it's not....

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DnDRnD said:

I'm just curious because you said

"I had prematurely birthed one of my PF jars and spawned it to a cow poop substrate Monotub weeks ago"

Are you saying you spawned 1 normal half pint PF cake into a whole mono?

But either way onto my opinion

- Potency can vary greatly from fruit to fruit especially with MS (multispore) perhaps next time try grinding up your shrooms as fine as possible and mixing them up nice and good to homogenize the powder (makes the potency relatively even throughout the whole pile of ground mushrooms)

- always use a dehydrator, it takes temps of 300+ degrees Fahrenheit to degrade the psilocin and psilocybin so normal dehydrator temps are perfectly fine and are the preferred drying method

- open caps vs closed caps doesn't affect potency really like MushBoy said ive had open capped mushrooms melt my face before

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Yes, I spawned one 1/2 pint BRF jar into a 90 Qt. Monotub as an experiment a month or so ago. I realize now that one little 1/2 pint of spawn for the whole big ol' tub might have been a little overly-ambitious, ha. My line of thinking though was that if my sterile game was on point and I was working with clean spawn and properly pasteurized substrate, then the 1/2 pint of spawn would still colonize the whole tub eventually, just slower than usual. Does this sound like a legitimate possibility or are there issues with that idea?

It started out great but I was not able to complete this experiment as it got gang-banged by fungus gnats and possibly some cobweb mold developed too. So I quarantined it in the garage a few weeks ago. Just checked on it the other day and it actually looks like it may be fully colonized, but it's very dry inside and Still has little fungus gnat larvae crawling around inside despite my best efforts.. I wanted to open it and spray some hydrogen peroxide to battle against the gnats & hydrate the sub, but don't want to risk opening it if there's a possibility I could spread mold spores from it, if it is indeed contaminated by cobweb mold. I will probably end up loosely planting the sub outside my house somewhere if I get a good chance to sneak it out one day.

I also spawned one 1/2 pint BRF cake, fully colonized this time, to a 15 Qt. tub (think they call it a boot box?) with about 3" of Vermiculite/Coir for the substrate. This was on August 8th. It's actually been doing pretty good and it is on its 2nd Flush now! I like the 15 Qt. size a lot, I think it's a great medium between a 6 Qt. shoebox and a big ol' Monotub, and I can have 3-4" of substrate in there and there still should be room for the mushrooms to grow fully without having to remove the lid. So far I've never had to remove the lid but I'm also not growing any monster-sized fruits yet either.

Fun-G said:

Up the nitrogen content of your substrate. Since your using cakes this would be done by hydrating the mix with diluted coffee instead of just plain water.

I've been growing for over ten years and have tried many different cubensis varieties but the golden teachers have me hooked....my last two grows were gt's and I noticed a considerable difference between Ms genetics and potency, the first grow didn't have worm castings so the nitrogen was low and so was the potency but on the 2nd grow I added worm castings and dried them the same as the first batch using a fan.... the mushrooms will dry but still be a bit soft, this is ok. I have some in a bag for a week now and they smell like fresh mushrooms.

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jcm4620 said:

or could just be genetics iv had cubes from ms come out weak as hell in 1 transfer and shit that would melt ur face off in another just gtta try and find what your looking for and clone them bad boys

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