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My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ * 5
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For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1 Corinthians 1:21

When I was a young child, being dragged to church, I laughed with the other kids.  We teased and harassed the children who actually took it seriously. 

As a questing teenager, plunging into the world of psychedelic spirituality and mysticism... Christians were again the prime target of mockery.  The small-minded sheep who couldn't think for themselves and question authority.

As an adult, I remember walking down a busy street one day.  A man came up to me and asked if I had heard the truth about Jesus.  Arrogantly I shot back, "I already have the truth," and kept on walking.

Soon after I stood on the roof of my apartment in the city, staring out at all the night lights below me.  I believed I was on the verge of a gnostic enlightenment, a mastering of my own reality, standing above the herd and seeing through all the illusions of material existence.

And finally, a couple years later sitting comfortably in my bedroom, I just gave up and surrendered to the simple truth.  I was nothing but a wretched human like everyone else.. a sinner in need of forgiveness from God.  I knew I had known all along that God was real, and that I had been denying him so that I could live life my way.

I had mocked and ridiculed Christianity for most of my life, never opened a Bible, and here I was reading it for the first time... reading about how Jesus Christ sacrificed himself on the cross to pay for our sins, and as my tears fell, the truth washed over me in an instant, and I believed, and I was saved.  I could feel Jesus standing right next to me and I knew he was real.

And now like that man on the street many years ago, I am the fool preaching to you now. 

You don't need to join a church to find it.  The truth is right there in your room as you read this.  Jesus stands at the door knocking, waiting for you to invite him into your heart.



Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in... - Revelations 3:20


If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 1
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saved7 said:
reading about how Jesus Christ sacrificed himself on the cross to pay for our sins


Can you explain how nailing someone up equals a plan of salvation?

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7]
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It's a metaphor, right? We are fixed to our cross of shameful doings?

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Oh. I get it. We are nailed to our doings until we know it's not what we want and we seek forgiveness.

That's the Plan of Salvation.

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Buster_Brown]
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wrong forum

belongs here

Spirituality & Mysticism

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
saved7 said:
reading about how Jesus Christ sacrificed himself on the cross to pay for our sins


Can you explain how nailing someone up equals a plan of salvation?


Jesus Christ, stripped and bloody and nailed to a cross, is the picture of what we deserve.

Take a look around the world, or just look in the mirror.  We deserve to die in our sins.  We are selfish, evil, fallen, in need of forgiveness from our creator.  Deep down we all know this.

Jesus on the cross is a picture of salvation because He paid for all of that.  God, the creator of the whole universe, sacrificed his own Son, for you and me. 

If we only believe in that sacrifice, then we are covered by that same blood of Jesus. 

Then finally in the end, when we stand before God and God looks at us... 

He will not see our lifetime of selfish thoughts and wicked deeds, he will see the blood of Jesus which washes away all sin.

If you truly want to be forgiven, then you can receive the truth this instant.  You don't need to take my word for it.  Jesus is right there at the door, knocking....


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ (moved) [Re: saved7]
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This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

Reason:
Definitely belongs here.

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 4
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saved7 said:
Jesus on the cross is a picture of salvation because He paid for all of that.  God, the creator of the whole universe, sacrificed his own Son, for you and me. 



'Jesus' is not the Son.

Christ is the son, which is all.

Everyone pays for everything, because that's what everyone is.

The 'son' is the entire, aware manifest in the universe - the broken part in exile, from divine unity.

Jesus is a flesh and blood, individual iteration of Christ (as everyone is at their root) relating a principle to the Layman who is conditioned to see all as separate.

Through him, Christ is conveyed, to counteract the ego which projects everything outside of itself, consequently disregarding the self.

At the heart, Christ is 'knocking at the door', for that's what everyone is beyond the projective delusion.

The point conveyed is that the individual body is perishable and the spirit - eternal.

Nothing is about Jesus Christ.

It's about you and the next person who is you.

That is the message. :thumbup:

Edited by Duncan Rowhl (06/13/19 01:51 AM)

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
'Jesus' is not the Son.

Christ is the son, which is all.

Everyone pays for everything, because that's what everyone is.

The 'son' is the entire, aware manifest in the universe - the broken part in exile, from divine unity.

Jesus is a flesh and blood, individual iteration of Christ (as everyone is at their root) relating a principle to the Layman who is conditioned to see all as separate.

Through him, Christ is conveyed, to counteract the ego which projects everything outside of itself, consequently disregarding the self.

At the heart, Christ is 'knocking at the door', for that's what everyone is beyond the projective delusion.

The point conveyed is that the individual body is perishable and the spirit - eternal.

Nothing is about Jesus Christ.

It's about you and the next person who is you.

That is the message. :thumbup:



The very first lie ever told was that man could "Be like God" if only he would open his eyes and take the wisdom for himself.

I used to believe this myself before I was saved by Jesus.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 2
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Why would Christ tell you to be perfect if it were not possible?

He said to be perfect, and he said it was easy -- his yoke is light.

Don't say he was lying. :smile:


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: life is good] * 1
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life is good said:
Why would Christ tell you to be perfect if it were not possible?

He said to be perfect, and he said it was easy -- his yoke is light.

Don't say he was lying. :smile:


His yoke is light because once you have Jesus, the worries and fears of the world melt away.  Though worldly troubles still come after you every day, and may even increase, they nolonger have any power over you because you now belong to Jesus. And your old self lies dead at the foot of the cross.

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. - John 16:33

Christians are nowhere near perfect.  We are free in Christ, yet we still let ourselves become distracted by the world.  We stumble off the path. But when we look back up at the cross before us, our suffering again turns to joy.  The burden of Jesus Christ truly is light.  It is a beautiful thing to be even the lowliest servant of God.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 4
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If Christianity is the one true religion, then why? Why would God decide to create all of these different religions, and traditions, if only one of them were true?


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 3
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saved7 said:
Duncan Rowhl said:
'Jesus' is not the Son.

Christ is the son, which is all.

Everyone pays for everything, because that's what everyone is.

The 'son' is the entire, aware manifest in the universe - the broken part in exile, from divine unity.

Jesus is a flesh and blood, individual iteration of Christ (as everyone is at their root) relating a principle to the Layman who is conditioned to see all as separate.

Through him, Christ is conveyed, to counteract the ego which projects everything outside of itself, consequently disregarding the self.

At the heart, Christ is 'knocking at the door', for that's what everyone is beyond the projective delusion.

The point conveyed is that the individual body is perishable and the spirit - eternal.

Nothing is about Jesus Christ.

It's about you and the next person who is you.

That is the message. :thumbup:



The very first lie ever told was that man could "Be like God" if only he would open his eyes and take the wisdom for himself.

I used to believe this myself before I was saved by Jesus.


It's imperative to understand the difference between mere man and united spirit - 'Jesus' and the son.

We are 'saved' by the truth of ourselves.

To find Christ within is the revelation.  The Logos.  That which is free of individual delusion.

All is you.

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
It's imperative to understand the difference between mere man and united spirit - 'Jesus' and the son.

We are 'saved' by the truth of ourselves.

To find Christ within is the revelation.  The Logos.  That which is free of individual delusion.

All is you.


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
- John 14:6


Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

...For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

- 2nd Timothy


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 1
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'Christ'.


The Logos.

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: Duncan Rowhl] * 3
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Quote:
The very first lie ever told was that man could "Be like God" if only he would open his eyes and take the wisdom for himself.

I used to believe this myself before I was saved by Jesus.


"And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love."
Ephesians 4:11-16

It sounds here like the Bible is telling us that we are to work to become as Christ - to grow up, to stop being children, and to "grow into him."

I have had a few Christians explain to me that other spiritual paths preach that you can become "a god" and that that is dangerous. But, in my own experience, that's not what most other traditions say. They say, you need to try and emulate the attributes of God, to become pure, and loving and kind and compassionate, free from the clutches of ego and selfish desire (so they can no longer be "tossed to and fro"). Then you will be able know God better, because you have become like Him, to awaken the essence of God within you. It is not that you become "a god", this separate thing with its own ego etc, it's the recognition that there is no real separation between you and God. God lives in you.  That is the essence of all spiritual paths.

"But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit."
1 Corinthians 6:17


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: PocketLady] * 1
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:whathesaid::congrats:

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.1 Corinthians 13

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?1 Corinthians 3

10 O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.
9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.Psalm 36

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 1
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saved7 said:
Duncan Rowhl said:
'Jesus' is not the Son.

Christ is the son, which is all.

Everyone pays for everything, because that's what everyone is.

The 'son' is the entire, aware manifest in the universe - the broken part in exile, from divine unity.

Jesus is a flesh and blood, individual iteration of Christ (as everyone is at their root) relating a principle to the Layman who is conditioned to see all as separate.

Through him, Christ is conveyed, to counteract the ego which projects everything outside of itself, consequently disregarding the self.

At the heart, Christ is 'knocking at the door', for that's what everyone is beyond the projective delusion.

The point conveyed is that the individual body is perishable and the spirit - eternal.

Nothing is about Jesus Christ.

It's about you and the next person who is you.

That is the message. :thumbup:



The very first lie ever told was that man could "Be like God" if only he would open his eyes and take the wisdom for himself.

I used to believe this myself before I was saved by Jesus.


Genesis 1:26 "God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Psalm 82:6-7 " I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

We are indeed like God, though we are not God, but we are gods who are mortal. It is there in scripture.


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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: PocketLady]
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PocketLady said:
Quote:
The very first lie ever told was that man could "Be like God" if only he would open his eyes and take the wisdom for himself.

I used to believe this myself before I was saved by Jesus.


"And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love."
Ephesians 4:11-16

It sounds here like the Bible is telling us that we are to work to become as Christ - to grow up, to stop being children, and to "grow into him."




Christians are indeed to work, to take up our cross and follow Christ every day.

Look who is being addressed in the beginning of the verses you've quoted: "the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry..."

These are all people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.  They work because they have received Christ.  They do not work to get to Christ on their own.  All scripture affirms this.

Until you've accepted Jesus, then all your spiritual works are nothing but dirty rags to God.

So have you accepted him?  Have you truly asked God for forgiveness and invited Jesus Christ into your heart?



PocketLady said:
I have had a few Christians explain to me that other spiritual paths preach that you can become "a god" and that that is dangerous. But, in my own experience, that's not what most other traditions say. They say, you need to try and emulate the attributes of God, to become pure, and loving and kind and compassionate, free from the clutches of ego and selfish desire (so they can no longer be "tossed to and fro"). Then you will be able know God better, because you have become like Him, to awaken the essence of God within you. It is not that you become "a god", this separate thing with its own ego etc, it's the recognition that there is no real separation between you and God. God lives in you.  That is the essence of all spiritual paths.


Just the same, it is a false doctrine that man can reconnect to the divine on his own terms, through his own works. 

PocketLady said:
"But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit."
1 Corinthians 6:17



And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
- 1 Corinthians 6:11

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
- 1 Corintians 6:20

People want to work and strive towards "Christ Consciousness" because it keeps them in charge of their reality.

Real salvation by Jesus Christ is a free gift, yet people reject it because instinctively they know they will belong to the one who saved them. 

It's this hard-heartedness that keeps people from asking for forgiveness.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: My Foolish Faith in Jesus Christ [Re: saved7] * 1
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Saved7, I think you should look into what Duncan says, more.


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