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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: grati] * 1
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I'll start by saying that I love LSD but mushrooms and other tryptamines are definitely more intense. 300mcg of LSD is intense and weird but at even 3 grams mushrooms start wearing at the ego and get extremely emotional and introspective.

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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Lophophora]
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When I said lsd has had profound experiences i wasn't talking about visuals even though they were strong. I was talkingabout profound experiences equivalent to what I've experienced on mushrooms. as far as depth and power.

One time i was seeing my family members and for the first time ever ot was like i was realizing one day we will all be gone and we will never see each other again. I could hear my grandma saying "I know honey" while I was crying thinking about my family.

One time I was with a girl and I felt like j could see the future. Like I knew me and her would never have one. That she was like a hurricane that came and washed over emergency before leaving. It was like j could see our future which was disappointment etc, impossible to put into words. I started crying without even knowing why. She held me and eventually told me "awe, dont cry,be happy" just like that i was out of it snowing, haooy as fuck.

Couple other experiences I won't describe but lsd has had amazingly profound and powerful experiences unlike anything else.

I also believe not all lsd is the same or equal. I've had very weak lsd experience ces as well. But some extraordinarily profound ones i will never forget.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Idk how you can say closed eye visuals aren't important. I've literally had vision quests on mushrooms and witnessed this gs like reincarnation and other very profound Visions. They seem very important when I experienced them :shrug:


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Idk how you can say closed eye visuals aren't important. I've literally had vision quests on mushrooms and witnessed this gs like reincarnation and other very profound Visions. They seem very important when I experienced them :shrug:


Only visual/vision i've had that seemed important was the precognitive vision i had about my dad's death 2 weeks before he died, other than that, no important visuals or visions. My experiences aren't particularly visual although i do have some cool visual moments, the experience is by no means about the visual, it's all about the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual/mystical, but mainly physical and mental. There's sooooo much to learn about the mind/body/soul/spirit and ourselves/each other/reality, that visuals are more of a distraction than anything, imo, i mean unless you're shown something you need to learn/understand through visual/vision, other than that, there's a lot more ways than one to see/understand/learn.

Visuals may be important to some people (or rather, most people, apparently), but haven't really played much of a role in my Entheogenic experimentation, regardless of substance or dosage. Though i will say, so far Psilocin (particularly in Psilohuasca) seems way more visual (both open and closed eyed) than LSD or even oral/smoked DMT.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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They are all part of the experience dor me.

Just because there are extremely powerful visuals doesn't mean you don't have very other aspect you mentioned.

The most powerful mystical/spiritual experiences i have had also had the most powerful closed eye and with lsd ooen eye,visuals... :shrug:

But ok lol


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
They are all part of the experience dor me.

Just because there are extremely powerful visuals doesn't mean you don't have very other aspect you mentioned.

The most powerful mystical/spiritual experiences i have had also had the most powerful closed eye and with lsd ooen eye,visuals... :shrug:

But ok lol


Idk, i just rarely ever get visuals, they aren't an important factor/aspect of the experience for me personally. Plus, most everyone i see always talks about visuals but hardly ever about anything else, hence why i think most people are caught up on and distracted by the visuals that they don't go much deeper and actually learn some things.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Sabnock]
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Yeah I guess you're the only one who gets it Sabnock.

Seems like half the posters on this forum are like that.

They know best and everyone else is wrong.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Yeah I guess you're the only one who gets it Sabnock.

Seems like half the posters on this forum are like that.

They know best and everyone else is wrong.


Why do people's ego get so offended these days or act like someone is right and one is always wrong? Trust me, i've been at the receiving end of that, most usually, i'm always wrong and everyone else is always right.

What i'm getting at though, is there are far more important aspects to the Entheogenic experience than visuals, and if you focus solely on visuals or think it's even necessary or important, you haven't went deep enough imo. Maybe there are those who have no choice but to see visuals, idk, all i know is that visuals haven't been necessary or important for me, there's gold in them Entheogenic mines, but it ain't visual related.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Sabnock]
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Plus, most of the times i do get closed eyed visuals, it's like random imagery that goes by so fast and like changes into different things, just seem more like dreams or the imagination to me personally, sure they could symbolize something but as far as i can tell, it's just random imagery :shrug:


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Sabnock]
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Yeah maybe it's just me. Everyone seems to just piss me off and annoy me on here lately.

Took a break for a month or more and wondering if I should just go back to that


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Yeah maybe it's just me. Everyone seems to just piss me off and annoy me on here lately.

Took a break for a month or more and wondering if I should just go back to that


I feel ya lol, i have to deal with a lot of morons in groups and on forums, sometimes it is just better to tune out the bullshit and focus on your own thing.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
Psilocin is totally better than LSD. I trip harder and go much further. Visually mushrooms are more stunning for both open eye and closed eye visuals. The headspace and feelings of pure joy and life affirmation are much, much more pronounced on mushrooms. The feelings of resolving ones issues are more pronounced on mushrooms. The colours are more rich on mushrooms.


Take 10 grams of LSD and get back to me

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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: kabel]
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kabel said:
MrCraggles said:
Psilocin is totally better than LSD. I trip harder and go much further. Visually mushrooms are more stunning for both open eye and closed eye visuals. The headspace and feelings of pure joy and life affirmation are much, much more pronounced on mushrooms. The feelings of resolving ones issues are more pronounced on mushrooms. The colours are more rich on mushrooms.


Take 10 grams of LSD and get back to me


It's not about potency, it's about power, intensity and overall effects. Sure you could take 10 grams of LSD and it'd be more powerful than 10 grams of mushrooms, but what's the content and over all effects like? It's not the quantity (although sometimes it is), it's the quality, imo. But who in their right mind would take 10 grams of LSD?


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu]
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Why does everyone seem to be talking about 10 grams of lsd lately?  Is there something going on here?

Let me just say as someone whos eaten a bunch of acid and my max mushroom dose is over 21 grams in a sitting...

I barely remember shit. And willnot waste my good shit any more doing stupid huge doses...

You can get to the factory from like 8 grams. 

If you don't know what i'm talking about stop talking about 10mg lsd doses lol


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Steveinshell]
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Oh and Enkidu.. glad to see you


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Sabnock]
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Sabnock said:
It's not about potency, it's about power, intensity and overall effects. Sure you could take 10 grams of LSD and it'd be more powerful than 10 grams of mushrooms, but what's the content and over all effects like?


If you think LSD is weak, you tell me.

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It's not the quantity (although sometimes it is), it's the quality, imo. But who in their right mind would take 10 grams of LSD?


LOL, as long as you all are comparing grams to micrograms I suppose you all can talk all kinds of shit about LSD.

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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Steveinshell]
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Steveinshell said:
Oh and Enkidu.. glad to see you


Appreciate it :heart:


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: Enkidu] * 1
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I will share my relatively limited experience. I have done acid 4 times and shrooms maybe 10 times.
I have also facilitated acid and shroom trips for 6 of my friends 3 times each. So roughly that is 18 experiences. Two  individuals had been on SSRI as well leading to the day of the trips.

The acid used is from a good source, no taste, and was tested for the fun of it using Elrich’s reagent. Nothing fancy about that just including it as I did try my best to confirm it wasn’t an RC.
Overall the SSRI users reported slightly less effects of both drugs, but the type of effects have been similar regardless. The settings have been outdoor in isolation, or a comfortable room without distractions.
So the concensus is 100 ug of acid, gives a nice mellow come up, very nice friendly visuals, HD or even 4K contrast of the scenery around. (all the trips had been in nature no festivals) Everyone has been perfectly functional and may even have enjoyed a concert or so. Very outward and external experience.

At 200 ug, visuals are pretty strong, more thoughtful trip, motor skills still available but wouldn’t risk complex task as driving etc ( although doable) . Still relatively chatty and happy outward feeling.

Mushrooms are home grown B+, cloned to narrow the potency variation somewhat.
1g, jerky come up, breathing and anxiousness evident in all subjects ( the SSRI users had lesser impact)
2g swift come up, the anxiety is still there but its over and done with quickly. The trip itself is more inward, not enough visuals per se, but more of lucid dream (CEVs). No will or energy to be chatty, thoughts n thoughts flying through space. There is usually a message or takeaway for most of the users from this point onwards, whether to acknowledge a demon, trauma or to make up with a loved one.
3.5 ~ 4.5 g. come up within 5 mins (empty stomach, shroom tea) CEVs, AND open eye visuals almost 80% loss of motor skills, just lie down and get hurled into space. Again no will or energy to chat, external stimulus gives a headache

My two cents,  <200ug Lucy is a user friendly and external trip.
Mushrooms mean business, they may not be for everyone. It is not a party indeed.
Only once did 4 of us conducted a Jedi flip minus the molly, that is another world altogether. Trip report at https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25791748

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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: kabel]
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kabel said:
MrCraggles said:
Psilocin is totally better than LSD. I trip harder and go much further. Visually mushrooms are more stunning for both open eye and closed eye visuals. The headspace and feelings of pure joy and life affirmation are much, much more pronounced on mushrooms. The feelings of resolving ones issues are more pronounced on mushrooms. The colours are more rich on mushrooms.


Take 10 grams of LSD and get back to me


That wouldn't be comparing them in relative ways though. I said it was better, not stronger. We all know that dose wise LSD is stronger.

But when you compare them in a relative way I get way more out of psilocin. When it gets to 600ug+ of LSD it just isn't too great and still doesn't have the depth or richness of psilocin, visually or mentally. I'm fairly sure that if I increase the dose of LSD much further I'll just black out and I don't see the point. I got so little out of anything past 600ug.

So the highest I can go with LSD has nothing on the highest I can go with psilocin in terms of the entire psychedelic experience. The high doses of psilocin I take are just beyond beautiful and take me to places LSD is just not capable of.


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Re: Am I sensitive to psilocybin or what? [Re: grati]
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grati said:
MrCraggles said:
Psilocin is totally better than LSD. I trip harder and go much further. Visually mushrooms are more stunning for both open eye and closed eye visuals. The headspace and feelings of pure joy and life affirmation are much, much more pronounced on mushrooms. The feelings of resolving ones issues are more pronounced on mushrooms. The colours are more rich on mushrooms.

Without a doubt for me mushrooms are the best psychedelic I've had. And I've had high doses of both. I do not come away from LSD feeling entirely satisfied. It doesn't feel like a full experience.


This. The only part I don't like is when everything turns dark and creepy for no reason :lol: but I'm used to that

I think I'll eat some shrooms tomorrow :solidnod:


You're probably not dosing high enough if you're getting 'dark and creepy'. The only time I get anything like that is on lower doses. Increase the dose to 7-8 grams and it's pure blissful joy...no darkness or foreboding. Just infinite joy.


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