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Salvia Reconisdered
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I've been thinkniing about smoking salvia again recently. I think that most people's bad experiences are tied to taking far too much.

If you gave a first timer a 1000 mic doce of lsd, what do you think is going to happen?

The same probably goes for salvia.

Therefore, i have been thinking about getting some 10x and seeing where things go from there. Enough for noticeable effects after a few hits, but not too strong.

Shamans have used this plant for millennia, and they never have problems.

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp]
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Sounds like an awesome idea. I've thought about something similar too.  Maybe I'll post something if I end up trying that out in the future. Keep us posted if you follow through with that, I'd love to hear how it goes


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Psicomb]
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Interesting idea..the 2 times ive tried it was a 100x extract. It was 2 of my least favorite drug experiences. Was terrible.


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: CookieMonster]
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From what I've gathered, 100x is absurdly powerful.  The one time I've smoked salvia it was 80x and that shit was rough man. What I've heard is the best approach is either quidding or smoking a really low potency extract. Maybe it would be interesting, but the one time i tried it was really unpleasant


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Psicomb]
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I strongly encourage you to ease your way back into it. You are spot-on - dumb kids ripping 100x extracts like weed have given Salvia a bad name. It's really a shame since it's really nice in moderate doses. 10x extract is great for controlling the dose.

I don't think people understand what 100x means. Assuming you need 1 g of plain leaf to rip reality apart, then you'd need 10 mg (0.01 g) of 100x extract for the same effect. That's a miniscule amount. Like I said, kids are dumb.

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: breeg89]
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Why not chew the salvia? chewing the extract should work too, i would imagine.


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Sabnock]
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If we want to consider 'shamans' or more accurately, 'curanderos' (shamans are from siberia, there are no native shamans in central america)
they only chew, and consider putting a flame to the plant a huge disrespect to the spirit of salvia.. they would say thats one of the reasons why some peoples experience can be so hellish. I have some friends who do traditional ceremonies with salvia in Mexico who feel very strongly about this.
i prefer quids now, beautiful experience, very different. takes a little practice, but i will probably never go back to smoking! not because i think its inherently wrong, i've just had much more positive results chewing. try it out?

i used to take a big quid, and as i felt the effects coming on, i would take a few hits of pure leaf, no extract, this was usually enough to break through in a very smooth way, although now i just chew. its almost like the more i connect, the easier it is to get there.

also, to say shamans never had any problems.. well what do you consider problems? difficult experience? being catapulted into the shadow? coming face to face with dark entities? i believe this is all a part of the "shamanic" journey ya know? the only difference is they actually do it in purpose haha

Edited by LiquidLight (03/01/19 03:04 AM)

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: LiquidLight]
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LiquidLight said:
If we want to consider 'shamans' or more accurately, 'curanderos' (shamans are from siberia, there are no native shamans in central america)
they only chew, and consider putting a flame to the plant a huge disrespect to the spirit of salvia.. they would say thats one of the reasons why some peoples experience can be so hellish. I have some friends who do traditional ceremonies with salvia in Mexico who feel very strongly about this.
i prefer quids now, beautiful experience, very different. takes a little practice, but i will probably never go back to smoking! not because i think its inherently wrong, i've just had much more positive results chewing. try it out?

i used to take a big quid, and as i felt the effects coming on, i would take a few hits of pure leaf, no extract, this was usually enough to break through in a very smooth way, although now i just chew. its almost like the more i connect, the easier it is to get there.

also, to say shamans never had any problems.. well what do you consider problems? difficult experience? being catapulted into the shadow? coming face to face with dark entities? i believe this is all a part of the "shamanic" journey ya know? the only difference is they actually do it in purpose haha


lots of half truths in this.
personally I do not think salvia quids are a good way to use the plant - also what information we have about cuaranderos using quids is absurdly anecdotal going back to Maria Sabina, hosting a quorum of white self important researchers.

Consider the impish reverse racist joy in watching green goo drooling from the mouths of the "master race"

if anything cuaranderos, shamans, and magicians of all kinds, like COYOTE, are fundamentally tricksters.


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: redgreenvines]
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I'd quid if i could find a safe, known source. most commercial things i feel safer just smoking.

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp]
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Gupp said:
I'd quid if i could find a safe, known source. most commercial things i feel safer just smoking.



If you're in the US and in a legal state, you should be able to order plain leaf online easily.  I don't know if we can mention suppliers in posts, but if you message me I can share the place I've used over the last several years.  They have extracts and plain leaf, and it's *supposedly* organic as well. They send full leaves rather than crumbled up shake, so it works very well for quidding.

If you're going to smoke extracts, I suggest you find out exactly how much salvinorin is in the amount you purchase, determine how much you want to smoke, and weigh out the proper dosage.  Slowly work your way up in dose during your session.  A general rule of thumb is 1-2mg of salvinorin is a strong dose for many.

Let us know how it goes!


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:

lots of half truths in this.
personally I do not think salvia quids are a good way to use the plant - also what information we have about cuaranderos using quids is absurdly anecdotal going back to Maria Sabina, hosting a quorum of white self important researchers.

Consider the impish reverse racist joy in watching green goo drooling from the mouths of the "master race"

if anything cuaranderos, shamans, and magicians of all kinds, like COYOTE, are fundamentally tricksters.






I'm very curious where you get your information, and where my half truths are? I'm just speaking from my own personal experience..  I'm surprised to read about someone chalking up the theory of a quid to racism and tricky curanderos telling white people to do it for kicks and giggles. Are these simply assumptions based on your ineffective quids? Have you been to Mexico to participate in these ceremonies? I have, and I truly am baffled at this claim. I am as brown as can be with Native blood, don't think there was any racism going on. They don't actually hold it in their mouth down there, they have you eat fresh leaf after fresh leaf very slowly until you start to feel the effects, I still consider this quidding. It's much different with fresh leaf than rehydrated.

I agree, the archetype of the trickster can be found in the curanderos, as well as the archetype of the healer and many others, just like all people. To each their own:)

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp]
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I actually started with a 10x salvia, and went 15 then 20. 30x was the highest I ever went. I saw it in my stash not too long ago (30x). I have been wanting to do it again too. I mixed DMT and salvia one night. Was a really strange and cool trip. That was about 6-7 years ago. Maybe tonight.....


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: LiquidLight]
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when you went to mexico to chew quid, was it part of a psychedelic tourism thing?
did you pay the curandero directly?


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: redgreenvines]
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I'm fairly sure terrence Mckenna at one point says he preferes extracts simply because it is quite a lot of foliage you need to chew and 10x is still more likely to produce a visionary experience.

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp]
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Well, Terence McKenna said some pretty silly stuff sometimes.

I've also heard burning salvia angers the spirit of the plant. My last time smoking was two big hits of 30x, and it definitely had an angry feel to the ride.

I would love to grow my own for fresh quidding, but its hard to keep the plant happy in my environment.

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp]
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I once smoked 10x salvia back when weed was illegal. It was a weird experience. Not exactly the most enjoyable experience. Might be good on another drug thou :strokebeard:

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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp] * 1
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I got a pack of 60x which i believe was a gram. I had smoked 10x before which was cool but made me feel more weird than anything. I packed a bowl of the 60 in a bong and ripped it all at once. That shit tore my reality away from me. I literally thought i had died somehow. That was the only way i could explain where i had gone to. It felt like purgatory. That was about 5 years ago. I still have a bowl of it but dont know if ill ever be able to sack up enough to do it again.


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Gupp] * 1
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The most valuable and enjoyable salvia experiences I ever had were from oral administration. Make a quid to suck on or make tea. It’s a far more mellow and longer trip. Smoking concentrated extracts are too strong too fast and are rarely enjoyable.


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Re: Salvia Reconisdered [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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Sabnock said:
chewing the extract should work too, i would imagine.


While chewing the extract *can* work, it generally doesn't for most people.  It's very hard to grind up with your teeth, which is required to get the salvinorin to absorb.  And even if you can grind it up enough to make it work, you'll generally use up and waste MUCH more salvinorin than if you just used plain leaf. 

I've tried chewing a salvinorin extract that was about 1/3 salvinorin (2/3 chlorophyll and maybe some other plant materials) from an acetone extraction.  It worked, but a lot of the material got stuck in my molars where I couldn't get to it.  I ended up using twice as much salvinorin as I would use with just plain leaf to get to the same trip depth.


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