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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: Skellies] * 1
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austothehun said:
XUL said:
Would you like to see more or less government power?

What would we do about non-compliant countries? If AOC is talking 10-12 years before no return for the globe, shouldn't we do something about them too?


I wouldn’t mind public projects to modernize out infrastructure. I think most of our efforts should be directed at mitigation and preparing for the consequences. It would be great to see international agreements, but I’m not sure global economic cooperation is really feasible.

For example: the CCP buys political legitimacy wth economic growth. It’s authoritarian but the average person feels like they have more opportunity then their parents/grandparents did under Mao. Now that the economy’s slowing, they have to lean more on nationalism but they still value growth.

It would take a lot of investment into other countries for them to willingly change, which isn’t popular.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/china-renewable-energy-investment.html


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: Skellies]
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austothehun said:
XUL said:
Would you like to see more or less government power?

What would we do about non-compliant countries? If AOC is talking 10-12 years before no return for the globe, shouldn't we do something about them too?


I wouldn’t mind public projects to modernize out infrastructure. I think most of our efforts should be directed at mitigation and preparing for the consequences. It would be great to see international agreements, but I’m not sure global economic cooperation is really feasible.

For example: the CCP buys political legitimacy wth economic growth. It’s authoritarian but the average person feels like they have more opportunity then their parents/grandparents did under Mao. Now that the economy’s slowing, they have to lean more on nationalism but they still value growth.

It would take a lot of investment into other countries for them to willingly change, which isn’t popular.


I liked that read.

Pretty interesting.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: XUL]
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The Ecstatic said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/china-renewable-energy-investment.html


They keep announcing big renewable projects/investments while also expanding their fossil fuel infrastructure. Curtailment is a huge issue too, because the coal is still cheaper. There’s definitely potential for China to vastly improve (and I hope they do), but I’m not holding my breath.

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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.


If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.

You're not going to be able to convince people like myself to decrease my standard of living to save future generations with fear mongering, not gonna happen.

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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.


I’m sure the species will survive, but it’ll be a painful transition. I wouldn’t mind taking on some of the burden so my children/grandchildren live better.

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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: Skellies] * 1
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China is destroying the U.S. as far as green energy, not just as far as installation but also the manufacture and development of the technology. As is Europe.

Seems as though the U.S. is the one that needs invaded. Or, we could just get our heads out of our asses, much like Green New Deal suggests.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: christopera]
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We have been invaded by heavy subversion.  Thus this is the cause of our problems.

It's a global problem and the more militarized other countries are the worse off they are.  I don't trust leadership and one reason the US Military is so good (is they don't either).

There's a lot of free though in military schools.  It's not all brainwashing, it's about education and educating.

I really feel rationing would benefit people.  The harder things get on people, the more good can come out of peoples hearts.  Sadly it also created a lot of organized crime (rationing).  The feds had no problem cleaning up a lot of that.  Even some military units would defect in a sort of way with rations.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
Leaving it up to the states (which are governments too by the way) means that absolutely no progress will happen in red states, and since climate change doesn’t acknowledge borders, it renders the progress made in other states/countries useless.


With that said, you are pretty much making the case that, if the entire world doesn't get on board, it will be bad?

What do you do with non-compliant countries? Will we invade?


The United States is the only industrialized nation who can’t even sign on to the totally impotent Paris Accords. Trump is rolling back out already lax environmental safeguards. We’re opening Alaska to oil drilling, expanding fracking. The US military is the biggest polluter in the world, by far. If anyone needs invaded in order to save the ecosystem of the planet, it’s us.


^^^THIS^^^

Canada and the US would need to be invaded.



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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Fuckin Canucks!


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.


If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.

You're not going to be able to convince people like myself to decrease my standard of living to save future generations with fear mongering, not gonna happen.


If I submerge my car into the river then I can also learn to survive and adapt to the river.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.


If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment.



Unless there are more brown people in it?


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: Thundermuscle75] * 1
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lol no shit

The ecosystem collapsing and the resulting mass extinction is an easier hurdle than having undocumented farmers.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
lol no shit

The ecosystem collapsing and the resulting mass extinction is an easier hurdle than having undocumented farmers.



How so?  Or is that sarcasm?

Most of the rain forest is going to farm land.  It's just that way wherever people go.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.


If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.

You're not going to be able to convince people like myself to decrease my standard of living to save future generations with fear mongering, not gonna happen.


If I submerge my car into the river then I can also learn to survive and adapt to the river.


Well, Michael Scott did.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
China is destroying the U.S. as far as green energy, not just as far as installation but also the manufacture and development of the technology. As is Europe.

Seems as though the U.S. is the one that needs invaded. Or, we could just get our heads out of our asses, much like Green New Deal suggests.


China emits double our pollution.

Don't be fooled by propaganda or future plans that haven't done anything as of yet.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
christopera said:
China is destroying the U.S. as far as green energy, not just as far as installation but also the manufacture and development of the technology. As is Europe.

Seems as though the U.S. is the one that needs invaded. Or, we could just get our heads out of our asses, much like Green New Deal suggests.


China emits double our pollution.

Don't be fooled by propaganda or future plans that haven't done anything as of yet.



Hell, they will probably laugh when we go green because they won't, but they will sell us green energy tools.

And they become the superpower.


Country            Fossil fuel CO2 emissions (kt) in 2016[11]
 World 35,753,306
 China 10,432,751
 United States 5,011,687
 India 2,533,638
 Russia 1,661,899
 Japan 1,239,592
 Germany 775,752
 Canada 675,919
International Shipping 656,369
 Iran 642,560
 South Korea 604,044
 Indonesia 530,036
International Aviation 523,454
 Saudi Arabia 517,079
 Brazil 462,995
 Mexico 441,413
 Australia 414,989
 South Africa 390,558
 Turkey 368,123
 United Kingdom 367,860
 Italy 358,140
 France 331,533

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
christopera said:
China is destroying the U.S. as far as green energy, not just as far as installation but also the manufacture and development of the technology. As is Europe.

Seems as though the U.S. is the one that needs invaded. Or, we could just get our heads out of our asses, much like Green New Deal suggests.


China emits double our pollution.

Don't be fooled by propaganda or future plans that haven't done anything as of yet.


They have five times our population. :facepalm:


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: XUL]
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We emit more than twice the CO2 per capita than China does, and a large part of the Chinese CO2 emission is for products bought by Americans. So they are doing better than us, especially considering our manufacturing sector is less than theirs.


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: koods]
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So?

The world is ending.

Is that your excuse?

We have to go to war with them and make them stop before they destroy the planet.

Isn't that the logic? Or should we just trust that they will go green within 10 years?


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Re: Does global warming warrant giving the government more power? [Re: koods] * 1
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I like how people are painting China’s investment in renewable energy as a drop in the pond and ineffectual.

Meanwhile those same people are fearmongering about the Green New Deal here, which also a massive shortcoming compared to what’s needed.


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