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Low yields
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Anyone know why my shoe boxes only put out an average of 7gs dry each? 10 shoe boxes. All the same. I do brf cakes into bulk coir. They grow so spread out.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Could be a lot of things, genetics, nutrition of the substrate. Multispore is a but of a crapshoot at the best of times. Solution in this case is the same use agar to inoculate grains and do grain to grain transfers and use those to inoculate your coir. While that's going work on isolating a few different cultures and then fruit them all and keep the best performing ones. Between the test results and the higher yields you'll have more shrooms than you know what to do with.

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Re: Low yields [Re: Rederick]
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Yep. Could be genetics. Lotta varying genetics when each cake is inoculated via spores

Could very well be you aren't dialing in your conditions very well.

Also could be bacteria, BRF cakes are inoculated by spore solution typically , which more often than not contains some bacteria.

Have you considered getting a PC to do agar/grains?


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Re: Low yields [Re: mushpunx]
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:whathesaid:
Conditions are more important than genetics IME.
Of cause it could be genetics but low yields often are a result of too dry or too wet substrates.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Buho colorido]
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Thanks for the replies guys. I thought I would add a few pics. My boxes always comme out looking like this. I keep the lid on sealed for 10 days which is usually when I see my first pins. then I unsnap one side and let it sit until they reach the lid then dub tub.



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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot] * 1
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My only regret in cultivating is that I didn't get into agar work right off the bat.

Clean grain spawn in coir produces loads, with the added assurance of not competing with contaminates. 

I highly advise making the leap.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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Mr Piggy said:
My only regret in cultivating is that I didn't get into agar work right off the bat.

Clean grain spawn in coir produces loads, with the added assurance of not competing with contaminates. 

I highly advise making the leap.


I agree. I think it's time to go out of my comfort zone.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Clean spawn with adequate hydration and a nice even substrate will provide thick, heavy, even flushes. Good luck, it's pretty easy TBH


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Re: Low yields [Re: Failboat]
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Quirkmeister92 said:
Clean spawn with adequate hydration and a nice even substrate will provide thick, heavy, even flushes. Good luck, it's pretty easy TBH


I followed the guides for hydration levels. My coir is the perfect "field cap". I try to make it as even as flat as possible. I never get side pins. I have now tried these as cakes and as bulk and the results are the same. So I believe it's something to do with the BRF or the multispore syringes.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot] * 1
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Rot said:
Mr Piggy said:
My only regret in cultivating is that I didn't get into agar work right off the bat.

Clean grain spawn in coir produces loads, with the added assurance of not competing with contaminates. 

I highly advise making the leap.


I agree. I think it's time to go out of my comfort zone.


Do it buddy!!! Trust me. I am probably just as new to thos as you are especially starting with pf cakes.

Get yourself some grain and do agar work. I promise it's worth it. It's already paying off. This shoebox I have now looks very very promising.. grain spa to coir is the way to go! Make the leap. I am so glad I started!


Made the switch a month ago and wont go back haha.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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Honestly, those tubs just look like they need a bit more light/fae. U have some fuzzy feet and smallish caps.

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Re: Low yields [Re: nube424]
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How many cakes were spawned per box?
Where/how are the boxes being colonized/fruited.
How much are you misting,is your coir at field capacity when spawning?
After all that,it still could be genetics,but IMO,it's one or more of the above causing issue.


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Re: Low yields [Re: mushroomnate]
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You're using syringes? Not a great start, but if you have little cakes that might be the issue.


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Re: Low yields [Re: nube424]
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nube424 said:
Honestly, those tubs just look like they need a bit more light/fae. U have some fuzzy feet and smallish caps.


I concure. Sub looks a little dry as well; hard to tell.

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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Rot said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I thought I would add a few pics. My boxes always comme out looking like this. I keep the lid on sealed for 10 days which is usually when I see my first pins. then I unsnap one side and let it sit until they reach the lid then dub tub.




Yea these look like you need to learn to dial in your surface conditions


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Re: Low yields [Re: mushroomnate]
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mushroomnate said:
How many cakes were spawned per box?
Where/how are the boxes being colonized/fruited.
How much are you misting,is your coir at field capacity when spawning?
After all that,it still could be genetics,but IMO,it's one or more of the above causing issue.


4 cakes per box. I never mist. The coir is field cap at spawn. Also I just bought a pressure cooker 5 mins ago. Gonna try to learn grains.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Rot said:





thats not genetics or multispore luck. all spindly and bendy? bad conditions bruh. here :awegroove:

how you preppin that bulk sub?? brf to bulk gave me decent enough results:shrug:


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Maybe you use too much coir?

I go for 50/50, 50 Myc(brf) and 50 Coir.

Go by Volume.For 4 x 200ml BRF cakes use only 800 ml coir at field capacity = 1.6 L cake

Boil some water and pour it over the dry coir and let it sit in a pot for about an hour, then let it cool off to room temp.

Myc likes cooked coir.


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Re: Low yields [Re: korgoth]
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korgoth said:
Maybe you use too much coir?

I go for 50/50, 50 Myc(brf) and 50 Coir.

Go by Volume.For 4 x 200ml BRF cakes use only 800 ml coir at field capacity = 1.6 L cake

Boil some water and pour it over the dry coir and let it sit in a pot for about an hour, then let it cool off to room temp.

Myc likes cooked coir.


What I did is took a cheese grater and used 4 cakes into each shoe box. Then meassured out 5 half pint jar sizes of coir into a bowl. Then boiled water and poured the water into the coir. Mixed it well then let it cool. Then I picked up handfuls of coir and squeezed it before adding it over the grated cakes.

I eyeballed it to 50/50 coir/cakes then put a layer of squeezed coir over the top of it to cover it. Snapped the lids on and put dates on them. 10 days later I see my first pin. I unsnap one side of the tub until the shrooms reach the lid then I dub tub them.


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Re: Low yields [Re: Rot]
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Come over to the oat side... oh yeah print and clone your fruits


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