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OfflineRaekwon
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Low yeilds
    #1236011 - 01/21/03 09:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am fairly new at growing mushrooms, but have read almost every guide and how to out there. I am using the PF tek method, in 1/2 pint jars and using vermiculite and a substrate. My terrarium is a 10 gallon aquarium with a plastic wrap lid, and perlite on the bottom. The temp is 76*F and 85% humidity constant. I also fan the cakes twice a day. What could cause the yeilds to be low, I consistently get one or two off each cake but not nearly as much as I would like.

Any suggestions would be great.



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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236044 - 01/21/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Try dunking your cakes.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Necron99]
    #1236086 - 01/21/03 09:59 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think you might need to get your humidity higher also for cakes.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: zoomery]
    #1236102 - 01/21/03 10:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How can you sugest doing that??? Also is my temperature okay (too high or low?) Like I said I am using an aquarium with a heat mat undernear.
Any suggestion on how to accomplish what you said???


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    #1236122 - 01/21/03 10:07 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Low yeilds [Re: vatoloco]
    #1236159 - 01/21/03 10:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

For dunking should I just do it before the first flush or wait until the second??? Is there any way I can get the humidity up with the set-up that I am currently using??? Also is 76 degree's too cold to hot or just right???
Are you suggesting that the humidity be closer to 90% or even higher?


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236163 - 01/21/03 10:19 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How much light are they getting.?


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: motaman]
    #1236169 - 01/21/03 10:21 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

They are getting 2 hours per day of indirect light (using a 33W glowluxs tube)


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236173 - 01/21/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Check ths out. Found in the FAQ's section. :smile:
optimal humidity for cakes
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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236193 - 01/21/03 10:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Some would say that is enough..but some would say more light. I am currently using about 8 hours of light until they pin then I decease it. But I am also new at this like yourself.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236203 - 01/21/03 10:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You could lightly mist the sides of the terrarium after you fan. But Be careful not to over do it.


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    #1236256 - 01/21/03 10:54 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Low yeilds [Re: vatoloco]
    #1236275 - 01/21/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well I am assuming the humidity gauge is accurate seeing that I just recently purchased it.
But what might some signs of low humidity be???


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236295 - 01/21/03 11:10 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No water driplets forming on the walls.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: SixCee]
    #1236337 - 01/21/03 11:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well there is plenty of water droplets just so everyone knows.
Vatoloco I will have to look into finding out if my humididty gauge is accurate.  But this still leads me back to the origional consern.  Regardless I am getting very low yeilds per cake.

The mushrooms only seem to grow off of one spot on the cake per flush and thats it  :confused:  I need to fix this issue ASAP 


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236480 - 01/21/03 12:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

what stran do you have?
after this flush is done, crumble and case .
:cool: :cool: :cool:
this may help

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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1236490 - 01/21/03 12:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Never trust a hyrgrometer.  It sounds like you have enough humidity if water is condensing and dripping on your walls.  How do your cakes look? 

Your going to want to dunk your cakes.  It's amazing how much of a difference this makes.

Also, if you contine to use cakes, I suggest using the Inner Reservoir Tek at http://www.fanaticus.com    Helps a lot.  Good luck  :wink: 


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    #1236531 - 01/21/03 12:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Low yeilds [Re: vatoloco]
    #1237019 - 01/21/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Okay well I will try everything you guy suggested thanks a lot for all the help.

Any more suggestions would be great, let me know


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: vatoloco]
    #1237222 - 01/21/03 04:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I would
1. Dunk the cakes in cold water 12 hours in fridge
2. Raise temp to 80
3. Add water to the perlite and more misting
4. Add a stronger light source for a longer time


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: PooGrower]
    #1242644 - 01/23/03 12:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How much longer do you think the light should be on for?? (It is on for 2 hours right now per day. And the temp is a constant 76F)


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: PooGrower]
    #1242707 - 01/23/03 12:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No disrespect to poogrower, but

1. agree
2. disagree - 74-78 is optimum for fruiting. some strains warmer, but these are in the minority
3. disagree - wet perlite is wet perlite. it'll get it above 95% for sure unless the tub is enormous
4. disagree - tiny light amounts for pinning only. then they seem to grow faster in the dark

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Re: Low yeilds [Re: shirley knott]
    #1242744 - 01/23/03 12:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

See that is one of the porblems we can not seemto get above 85% humidity and that is bye using perlite in a aquarium.

Any suggestions.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1242758 - 01/23/03 12:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

With 85%, if you mist a couple times a day, and make sure your container isn't leaking air, you should have no problems.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: EthnoJimmy]
    #1242782 - 01/23/03 12:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ya see that is the issue as far as I know I am not leaking anything. I am using a 10 gallon aquarium with plastic wrap over top.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1242906 - 01/23/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i had the EXACT same problem back when i was a newb. all i did was next time i made cakes, keep the cakes in COMPLETE darkness while they r in jars. then when u take them out they see light for the first time and BAM many shrooms.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #1242922 - 01/23/03 01:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ya buddy my cakes are in complete darkness when they are being incubated. Then like you said bam but in my senario there was no bam. I got a couple of mushrooms off of each cake thats it per flush.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Raekwon]
    #1242940 - 01/23/03 01:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

See that is one of the porblems we can not seemto get above 85% humidity and that is bye using perlite in a aquarium.





Are you sure about this? If this is being read off a hygrometer, I wouldn't trust it. A lot of them don't go over 85%.


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Re: Low yeilds [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1242980 - 01/23/03 01:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That is true it may be off and not reading humidity correctly, but again if the humidity is right why am I getting such low yields.



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