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Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list * 3
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Trump administration prepares to add Venezuela to list of state sponsors of terrorism
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The Trump administration is preparing to add Venezuela to the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism in what would be a dramatic escalation against the socialist government of Nicolás Maduro, according to U.S. officials and internal government emails.

The list is reserved for governments accused of repeatedly providing “support for acts of international terrorism” and includes only Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria.

Republican lawmakers led by Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) have pushed for the designation



I guess that's what you get for leaning too far socialist.  I don't think we're considering Israel or Saudi Arabia for the list.  :smirk:


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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That article is a sad read.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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got a new server at work and can't access the article.  any reasons listed as support for this push by rubio and others?

edit:  i'll look other places for info, too.

Edited by relic (11/20/18 06:53 AM)

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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First, do you believe that starving your country is terrorism?

Second, is it terrorism for Maduro to decline international food aid for his people while they are starving?

Three, do you believe socialism in Venezuela is working?

I just want to be clear on what you support.

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The Venezuelan government has tried to cover up the extent of the crisis by enforcing a near-total blackout of health statistics, and by creating a culture in which doctors are often afraid to register cases and deaths that may be associated with the government’s failures.

Venezuela has been shuddering since its economy began to collapse in 2014. Riots and protests over the lack of affordable food, excruciating long lines for basic provisions, soldiers posted outside bakeries and angry crowds ransacking grocery stores have rattled cities, providing a telling, public display of the depths of the crisis.

President Nicolás Maduro has acknowledged that people are hungry in Venezuela, but he has refused to accept international aid, often saying that Venezuela’s economic problems are caused by foreign adversaries like the United States, which he says is waging an economic war against his country.




https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/world/americas/venezuela-children-starving.html

Edited by XUL (11/20/18 07:04 AM)

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 2
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Not giving Exxon control of your nation’s ONE export is terrorism.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Can you answer the questions I asked Fal?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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Probably


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Probably



Give it a try.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
First, do you believe that starving your country is terrorism?

Second, is it terrorism for Maduro to decline international food aid for his people while they are starving?

Three, do you believe socialism in Venezuela is working?



First, no; terrorism should remained defined as 'violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims'. I believe that starvation among Venezuelan citizens is a result of poor government management, and not an attempt to achieve political aims.

Two, no; see above. It is stubborn, selfish, and cruel, but not terrorism.

Three, I believe an economy that is completely dependent on the export of a single commodity is failing. How socialistic or capitalistic Venezuela is doesn't matter in the face of their complete lack of economic diversification.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
XUL said:
First, do you believe that starving your country is terrorism?

Second, is it terrorism for Maduro to decline international food aid for his people while they are starving?

Three, do you believe socialism in Venezuela is working?



First, no; terrorism should remained defined as 'violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims'. I believe that starvation among Venezuelan citizens is a result of poor government management, and not an attempt to achieve political aims.

Two, no; see above. It is stubborn, selfish, and cruel, but not terrorism.

Three, I believe an economy that is completely dependent on the export of a single commodity is failing. How socialistic or capitalistic Venezuela is doesn't matter in the face of their complete lack of economic diversification.



I would beg to differ.

Starvation for political gain (standing up to the US).

Further, guess who you will find near the food caches? Armed guards.

Quote:
ter·ror·ism
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.



https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=b0T0W9TeGZC2ggf74KigDg&ins=false&q=terrorism&oq=terrorism&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-hp.3..0j0i67j46i131j0l2.2236.7246..8975...1.0..0.2070.6570.2-2j1j3j1j8-1j1....3..0....1.......5..46j35i39j46i39j0i131.0O-tY0rggxc


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Edited by XUL (11/20/18 10:35 AM)

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 2
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You realize the sanctions are why people are starving right?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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Yes, we can sufficiently water down the definition of terrorism to fit any political agenda.

I guess you agree that the actions of the USA in the Middle East and Latin America also qualify as terrorism too? Things like drone bombings across Pakistan and Yemen or operating a Latin American terrorist training facility, correct?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Denying international aid and posting armed guards near food dispensaries while your people are literally starving to death is a regime built on terror.

I find it hard to believe you are defending such an act.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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Did I defend it? I merely don't believe it qualifies as terrorism.

If "denying international aid and posting armed guards near food dispensaries while your people are literally starving to death" qualifies as terrorism, then I'm sure you agree that the USA dropping bombs on civilians across the Middle East also qualifies as terrorism, and that arming and training right-wing paramilitary death squads to combat democratically elected Latin American socialist governments at a minimum qualifies as state sponsored terrorism.

Why did you gloss over this part of my post? Are you defending such acts?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I don't condone bombing civilians. Show me sufficient evidence that America purposely murders innocent civilians and I will take a look.

Arming rebels is fine as long as the cause is just.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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Boss man, that's one wild scale of justice you got there. Not exactly consistent, absolutely convenient.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Did I defend it? I merely don't believe it qualifies as terrorism.






That would be exactly where politicians, and people like you and me, disagree.

So, leaders are going forward with the terrorists term now. Personally, I support it.

Even North Korea accepts aid when they need it. His people are suffering so he can prove a political point that may or may not be true.

Socialism!


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
I don't condone bombing civilians. Show me sufficient evidence that America purposely murders innocent civilians and I will take a look.

Arming rebels is fine as long as the cause is just.



If we murder civilians on accident it’s fine


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Yes.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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How is that any different than limiting food supply to citizens?


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