SARAtonin said:

PsientistX said:

If it wasn't for U.S the world would be sucking Hitler's dick.

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The Soviets captured Berlin.

Learn to history, kiddo.

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PsientistX said:

Oh I forgot the war was in just Berlin. My bad cuz I could of swore you all were getting your asses whooped til we joined. For some reason I thought it was us who stormed the eagles nest. My bad yeah I thought it was us who made sure you didn't have to suck Stalin's dick either. For one second to assume the u.s. wasn't the reason your ancestors didn't get burn in the oven is being intellectually dishonest. And i like how you put kiddo on there cuz you really thought you had someone

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SARAtonin said:

PsientistX said:

If it wasn't for U.S the world would be sucking Hitler's dick.

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The Soviets captured Berlin.

Learn to history, kiddo.

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Wow you all. This is really cool. Didn't realize you two were alive back then and lived it

Zyiadem said:

mndfreeze said:

Nah, thats some bullshit.  Studies have been done on massive scales that show more guns = more violence.  Directly related.  Studies have also been done that show that MOST people who are just 'armed citizens' are actually shit at using their weapons and either don't use em, escalate the situation and make it worse, or hurt themselves or others.


Current gun laws are definitely not living up to standards.  Everyone having guns is far far far worse.  Statistics don't lie.

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Sounds like you're skewing the stats to match your narrative, Higher crime areas increase the number of firearm owning/carrying civs. We are at a historic low for all crime rates (except maybe political), but you wouldn't know it listening to the news.

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mndfreeze said:

Zyiadem said:

mndfreeze said:

Nah, thats some bullshit.  Studies have been done on massive scales that show more guns = more violence.  Directly related.  Studies have also been done that show that MOST people who are just 'armed citizens' are actually shit at using their weapons and either don't use em, escalate the situation and make it worse, or hurt themselves or others.


Current gun laws are definitely not living up to standards.  Everyone having guns is far far far worse.  Statistics don't lie.

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Sounds like you're skewing the stats to match your narrative, Higher crime areas increase the number of firearm owning/carrying civs. We are at a historic low for all crime rates (except maybe political), but you wouldn't know it listening to the news.

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I didn't post any stats so how could I be skewing them to fit my narrative?  You guys can google shit yourselves.  This is not exactly a new argument and you *CAN* actually find statistics and studies done in a scientific, unbiased way, if you choose to look for them.  That usually means not going to pro gun, pro republican sources, as well as avoiding blue state, leftist, sites. 

There are a fuck load of factors that go in but there is direct and proven correlation that more guns = more use of guns = more accidents = more intentional misuse.  The more people have of something, the more it gets used. 

Feel free to look at the car industry for a comparable set of simple statistics.  More cars, more accidents, more deaths by car.

If we somehow had a magical button to wipe out all the guns in the US, murder rate by firearm would drop to almost nil.  People would find ways to get them back in or make them, but it would be slooooow.  Another method for removing them is to cause their price to rise to really high levels so the average person can't justify buying one just to go rage on someone else, act gangster, etc.

If you want to see how effective that last part is, look at fully auto weapons and how often they get used as murder weapons.  Access to the tool has everything to do with how often said tool is used.  There is a reason you don't see people throwing hand grenades and shooting RPG's into nightclubs, using truck mounted 50 cals or land mines.

The big issue with the US is that guns are built into our very core culture.  It's the same reason everyone arguing against gun control is so sure it doesn't work (when clearly we have examples of countries in existence today that do it just fine).  As usual, education is everything.  If you raise many generations of people with the thinking of a particular thing it's going to be damn near impossible to convince them otherwise.  You only need to look at the impact religion has on the world and the struggle we have even in first world nations to convince people of even the most basic science. 

Gun control how the left wants it will never work here until we educate generations of people away from the idea that they have some core need to have a fire arm because it's their right.  No gun control like the right wants will never work because people are inherently emotional piles of shit with little self control and the inability to not escalate things so we will continue to shoot each other when the option is available.

I am btw, a gun owner, and I have actually had a gun pulled on me.  I don't want my guns "taken" from me either but I am not naive to the nature of people.  The entire issue with gun control isn't that removing it is going to stop all murder. People will still find ways to murder, because again, we suck, but it does lessen the amount of excess high probability killing.  It's a lot harder for someone to kill someone with their bare hands, or a club than a gun.  Violent people will still be violent but the survival rate is a LOT higher for people not on the receiving end of a gun, specifically.

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paradoxlost said:

more guns may equal more gun violence, but i don't think that more guns equals more violence.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

oh please virgina tech was all pistols and he didnt even have extended mags and got a way higher body count.

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PsientistX said:

You waisted your time postin that.

THE GUN and DRUG DEBATE IS THE SAME ARGUMENT.

GUNS AND DRUGS ARE nOT BAD, ITS JUST BAD PEOPlE ABUSE THEM.

If you take guns away . People can still make bombs out of household items. I mean it's not going to do anything.

Now I do agree with common sense gun laws. If your a flight risk obviously no guns. Obviously no fully autos. If your a felon or mental Illness yada yada yada. But removing guns completely is not the answer. Neither is the drug war. That's how you end up with bullshit like k2 . That's how you end up with fentanyl literally in everything

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Zyiadem said:

Yuup, couple of hunters couldn't see my oranges and hit some rocks 2ft. away from me and then a tree a couple feet the other side of me, I screamed like a fuckin bitch, and nearly shit myself. Why do you ask?

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Herbologist said:

I've had my house shot up.  If it weren't for a solid wood door, i'd have had a .40 cal hollow in my side or head.

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mndfreeze said:

PsientistX said:

You waisted your time postin that.

THE GUN and DRUG DEBATE IS THE SAME ARGUMENT.

GUNS AND DRUGS ARE nOT BAD, ITS JUST BAD PEOPlE ABUSE THEM.

If you take guns away . People can still make bombs out of household items. I mean it's not going to do anything.

Now I do agree with common sense gun laws. If your a flight risk obviously no guns. Obviously no fully autos. If your a felon or mental Illness yada yada yada. But removing guns completely is not the answer. Neither is the drug war. That's how you end up with bullshit like k2 . That's how you end up with fentanyl literally in everything

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It is NOT the same argument at all. The only commonality between the two is both are regulated by laws.  No one throws heroin at someone in a rage to kill them.  Drug prohibition and gun control are totally different and apply to different parts of human nature.  You are trying to compare something designed with the purpose to kill to something designed to heal or enjoy. 

The gun argument has never been 'blaming guns'.  Only a moron would blame the tool and not the person.  The gun control argument is very clearly about making it harder for people to gain access to said tool because they are not responsible or mentally sound, or just altogether remove them for the extremist viewpoint.

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Mr Piggy said:

Zyiadem said:

Yuup, couple of hunters couldn't see my oranges and hit some rocks 2ft. away from me and then a tree a couple feet the other side of me, I screamed like a fuckin bitch, and nearly shit myself. Why do you ask?

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Herbologist said:

I've had my house shot up.  If it weren't for a solid wood door, i'd have had a .40 cal hollow in my side or head.

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So if I am to understand you both correctly, a gun was the problem, but a gun was not the solution to either situation.

Sounds like yelling and ducking were key.

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bio_alchemist said:

Im so Triggered from this thread im speechless


Download and print the gun in my sig!

Also Youtube deleted my firearm manufacturing video
So I uploaded it HERE

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