Katz 206 said:

i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lets be honest... these numbers are being inflated. your not gonna be seeing 30% almost 1/3 of the plant being THC. i never go by percents ever. i dont want to outright say they are faking their numbers, i dont want to outright say some places are faking "pesticide free" either. but your not required to test the entire batch, i have heard some places will have 1 plant they dont use pesticides on and have that one tested but use it on the rest of the crop for instance. i have no hard proof of this, its just what i think

that being said, im a huge bud snob and always want some dank that taste delicious. theres is clear differences in taste, and ive had weed tested at 17%ish get me just as high as something testing close to 30%, theres no real big difference at all if any. this is more evidence that leads me to believe numbers are bull shit.

edit: just thought of a question. say you have an orange or something picked off of the tree, and you test its sugar content and weight. then you take that same orange and dehydrate it. then you test its sugar content and weight. thats the only phenomena that can explain numbers near 30% imo, i mean that almost 50% bud looks pretty fucking lit but id feel like a retard if i was selling that at the farmers market back in the day trying to convince people my shit was testing that high lol. i remember people being called out all the time for even saying they had weed tested in the high 20's. people would tend to call them out but maybe thats just cause they are trying to finesse a better price

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Necropolis said:

Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.


EDIT:

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The vast majority of THC is found on structural components within the secretory cavity, particularly the wall, fibrous matrix, and surface features of vesicles. This suggests THC may be chemically bound to these structural components rather than being free in the cavity.

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That's a rather small part of the plant where most of the THC is found. Like I said, if you don't find 20% of the weight of flowers being removed when trichome heads are removed, there is no way the flowers are 20% THC by weight.

EDIT: To put it in perspective, showing how much more THC you'll find in a small part at the end of the trichome heads compared with the rest of the plant:

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We also separated them as to glands over a vein as contrasted to non-vein areas. Results showed that stalked glands over a vein on the bract contained more THC content, approximately 20 times more, than the sessile glands over a leaf vein. Similarly, stalked glands over a non-vein area contained much more THC than sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area.

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They used low THC strains, but it doesn't change the ratio. You're still going to end up with a lot more THC in the glands/end of trichomes compared with the rest of the plant.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

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bodhisatta said:

That removing the trichromes test wouldn't work at all. The bud needs to be completely dehydrated of all water to get the % yeild test.

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Katz 206 said:

....that doesnt explain why getting something well below 30% thc can be just as good if not better.

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Necropolis said:

Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.

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Katz 206 said:

so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not

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Katz 206 said:

so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not

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openmind said:

Katz 206 said:

so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not

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I'm pretty sure most bubble is around 50% THC, give or take a bit...

...Some full melt bubble is likely up around 60% or higher, that stuff melts like oil and burns away cleanly.



One can have a pile of trichomes and virtually no THC though, depends on the strain....

....and I'm really not sure on the #'s in regards to how efficient cold water extractions are....As far as what percent of total trichomes are extracted off the buds.







-OM

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Katz 206 said:

so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not

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Quote:

A clear, golden brown cannabis derivative also known as honey oil, shatter, wax and (disgustingly) “earwax,” butane hash oil (BHO) has some distinct advantages over traditional marijuana: It has very little smell, either in its solid form or when vaporized, is very portable, and can achieve intense effects with small amounts. (That's because BHO is also highly concentrated; according to one Oregon-based hash oil producer — a Cannabis Cup award winner who goes by “Ganja Jon” — a pound of marijuana typically generates 1/10 to 1/5 of a pound of hash oil.)

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openmind said:

I'm going to e-mail a few different labs that are licensed by the state government (cali) to see what they have to say about testing, how they go about it, what the #s actually mean, etc...

...because this is something I've always wondered about, long before this thread and long before testing was required by state law.




I do think it's by weight, but some of you do bring up some good points......

The #'s on the herb I get don't seem too far out of line to me though ....The label shows there's 764.4mg of THC and 1.05mg of CBD in my 3.5g of weed, and shows that there's a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%.

I don't find it hard to believe that a single gram of weed can contain somewhere around 200mg of THC.






-OM


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Katz 206 said:

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?

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I assumed by dry they meant like 100% dehydrated, which would make sense to test the total %.

But if that is the case then wouldn't the % be different with regular cured bud which still has some moisture?

Would be nice to have the process explained by someone who knows more

musiclover420 said:

Katz 206 said:

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?

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I assumed by dry they meant like 100% dehydrated, which would make sense to test the total %.

But if that is the case then wouldn't the % be different with regular cured bud which still has some moisture?

Would be nice to have the process explained by someone who knows more

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right it would, and i believe they do "test" it fully dehydrated

but what im saying is if a concentrate is testing at 60% theres no way flower is gonna test near 50% even if its dehydrated..


"1 gram of Cannabis flower with a 16.5% THC potency means that 16.5% of the flower’s mass is THC.

16.5% of  1 gram =  .165 of a gram of THC or 165mg"

sorce

http://www.cvdvt.org/not-thc-created-equal/

i refuse to believe any test claiming flower is over 30%
if your using a chemical process like BHO or similar, to extract as much thc as you can and eliminate as much plant matter as you can, and you end up with even 80% bho. theres no way just plain flower can be near 50% i just refuse to believe that it doesnt make any sense. flower doesnt look like extracts lol.

maybe im wrong idk, but i dont think im wrong. and until someone can provide me any evidence i will not change my opinions and will spew my garbage until someone can debunk me.

if you have a gram of weed that test at 30% which would mean 30% of the buds mass is thc. i mean if people want to believe theres no deception at work here then thats up to them lol

BUT I SEE THROUGH THE LIES

Katz 206 said:

so if you admit that some bed test results are bullshit, how do you know which ones are legit and which ones arent? how do you know theres bud out there testing at 30% thc when BHO is testing at 60%-90%, assuming those numbers arent bullshit too.. i dont understand how bud can be up to half as pure thc as BHO...

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?

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