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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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compare pure thca with flower. Most people will say "theres something missing, but its strong"


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
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musiclover420 said:
Fractal420 said:
musiclover420 said:
trvptamine said:
Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.


I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.


Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally


It still seems weird though as you'd think they would include a total cannabinoids % if they did it that way :strokebeard:





I'm pretty certain the percentage is by the weight....As in, 25% THC means that 25% of the total weight of the bud is composed of THC.


Here in California they list both the percentage, as well as the total amount of cannabinoids in milligrams...







Right now I'm looking at a 3.5g jar of weed I bought a few weeks ago....

It shows that it has a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%....And it also shows that the entire contents of the jar contains 764.4mg of THC, and 1.05mg of CBD.


So doing the math.....


3,500mg (total weight of bud) ÷ 764.4mg (total THC) = 4.57   

100 ÷ 4.57 = 21.8 % THC

So 21.8% of the 3.5g of weed is entirely THC...

The remaining 0.93% is CBD and other cannabinoids.



(someone correct me if I'm wrong....I can be a bit of a 'tard when it comes to math lol)








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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: openmind]
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Well in MY dispensary strains vary from ~8% to around 30% THC and the CBD content can be 0% or up to 10-15% or more....


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
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Fractal420 said:
musiclover420 said:
trvptamine said:
Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.


I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.


Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally


It does literally mean that 1/4 of the bud is THC.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: bodhisatta]
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Im gonna check this out, cause its two wildly different ideas about what cannabis thc potency means.

I dont claim to even know for sure which is correct. For a long time i assumed it was % by weight (25% means 250mg out of 1g), now im not sure


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
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Call any dispensary and ask them. It's pretty easy to figure out. And yes some labs will doctor your results if paid extra. It's a problem that needs to be fixed. Just like the government, the black market will try any way they can to get their piece of the pie.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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Call any dealer and ask them, i dont see much difference. Alot of dealers i know, esp those in cali, worked for a dispensary at some point. just storefronts for bud. When i went to MedMen the first time they ripped me off price wise more than any dealer. Also the guy miscounted my cash, tried to say i was $10 short. (He counted a 20 as a 10) Like i even expected to pay $190 for 14g of flower

Medmen now moved to 5th avenue too where theyre selling shit at prices, well, fit for 5th fucking avenue. But for the real dank, i think delivery services have them beat. Especially since MM cant sell bud over here, but these delivery services have been around long before me.

I'll mention one that got busted a long time ago already that every rich kid knew. Cartoon Network. That stuff was INSANE but one time i got a jar that had some powder in it on the side. Maybe thc crystals, hopefully not pcp or some shit. Cause i would not be fucking surprised. It was that good. But they were busted like 2005. There are alot of services i trust more. But what bothers me is some sell blow to hs kids, who just steal money from their rich parents. The real "gateway" (not a drug)

But on the flip side ive heard of many such service in legal places too. Like in LA. They pose as legit sources too it seems.

Seems to me only independent test labs (i hope) are impartial. But i only trust the independent labels. When its printed by the dispensary who knows. Anyone can get a bunch of legit looking cali labels from amazon.


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Edited by Fractal420 (10/17/18 09:25 AM)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420] * 1
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Fractal420 said:
....I dont claim to even know for sure which is correct. For a long time i assumed it was % by weight (25% means 250mg out of 1g), now im not sure




It is by weight...

I don't know if you saw my post, but I did the math....>>>>>>



Right now I'm looking at a 3.5g jar of weed I bought a few weeks ago....

It shows that it has a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%....And it also shows that the entire contents of the jar contains 764.4mg of THC, and 1.05mg of CBD.


So doing the math.....


3,500mg (total weight of bud) ÷ 764.4mg (total THC) = 4.57   

100 ÷ 4.57 = 21.8 % THC

So 21.8% of the 3.5g of weed is entirely THC...

The remaining 0.93% is CBD and other cannabinoids.






If you have 1 gram of herb that's 25% THC...yes, it contains 250mg of THC.







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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: openmind]
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By weight seems to make a lot more intuitive sense.

By % percent doesn't offer you much on the absolute dose/amount, which is what you want to know.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
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Unless you can do a quick conversion in your head.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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Okay, well, good to know definitively


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
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passifloracaerulea said:
Unless you can do a quick conversion in your head.


True. But then you'd need to know the total number of cannabinoids as well and do an extra math step.

I can't readily think of another product, drug, etc. where percent isn't percent of total mass. It just seems odd to me.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
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Well since cannabis is a mixture, not a compound, the rules are a bit diff^


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420] * 1
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Understood. But given its a mixture, that's precisely why you'd like to know the % of the primary psychoactive component by weight.

Perhaps a related example is wine and beer. They're quite complex, but the alcohol content is the % volume/concentration.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
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Never been a high thc person myself.  To me it's about the synergy of cannabinoids.  The synergy gives a better experience.

Then again some really just like high thc.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy]
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You can have high levels of thc and other cannabinoids too, just as long as its flower. When its extract usually mostly thc(a)

To my knowledge all flower should have the main 113 cannabinoids, just different levels of each depending on strain


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
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i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lets be honest... these numbers are being inflated. your not gonna be seeing 30% almost 1/3 of the plant being THC. i never go by percents ever. i dont want to outright say they are faking their numbers, i dont want to outright say some places are faking "pesticide free" either. but your not required to test the entire batch, i have heard some places will have 1 plant they dont use pesticides on and have that one tested but use it on the rest of the crop for instance. i have no hard proof of this, its just what i think

that being said, im a huge bud snob and always want some dank that taste delicious. theres is clear differences in taste, and ive had weed tested at 17%ish get me just as high as something testing close to 30%, theres no real big difference at all if any. this is more evidence that leads me to believe numbers are bull shit.

edit: just thought of a question. say you have an orange or something picked off of the tree, and you test its sugar content and weight. then you take that same orange and dehydrate it. then you test its sugar content and weight. thats the only phenomena that can explain numbers near 30% imo, i mean that almost 50% bud looks pretty fucking lit but id feel like a retard if i was selling that at the farmers market back in the day trying to convince people my shit was testing that high lol. i remember people being called out all the time for even saying they had weed tested in the high 20's. people would tend to call them out but maybe thats just cause they are trying to finesse a better price :shrug:

Edited by Katz 206 (10/19/18 09:46 AM)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
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Not the whole plant. Just the bud. 30% is not outrageous for flower. Yes 3/10ths of the flower is thc.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: bodhisatta]
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idk man i think it is, and that doesnt explain why getting something well below 30% thc can be just as good if not better. and ive seen PLENTY of dog shit weed that test in the high 20's.. like really bad

maybe i just dont fully understand but i just call bullshit on some of the numbers i see

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
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Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.


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Quote:
The vast majority of THC is found on structural components within the secretory cavity, particularly the wall, fibrous matrix, and surface features of vesicles. This suggests THC may be chemically bound to these structural components rather than being free in the cavity.


That's a rather small part of the plant where most of the THC is found. Like I said, if you don't find 20% of the weight of flowers being removed when trichome heads are removed, there is no way the flowers are 20% THC by weight.

EDIT: To put it in perspective, showing how much more THC you'll find in a small part at the end of the trichome heads compared with the rest of the plant:

Quote:
We also separated them as to glands over a vein as contrasted to non-vein areas. Results showed that stalked glands over a vein on the bract contained more THC content, approximately 20 times more, than the sessile glands over a leaf vein. Similarly, stalked glands over a non-vein area contained much more THC than sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area.


They used low THC strains, but it doesn't change the ratio. You're still going to end up with a lot more THC in the glands/end of trichomes compared with the rest of the plant.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

Edited by Necropolis (10/19/18 12:09 PM)

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