qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Why would I support a movement that highlights their experiences, and ignores the same experience simply because of the color of my skin?

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There shouldn't be any issue addressing different sets of problems simultaneously, it happens all the time.

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It's the same problem, there's nothing different about it. Police brutality affects all US citizens regardless of race.

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shivas.wisdom said:

krypto2000 said:

qman said:

krypto2000 said:

Sure, but the problem is no one is addressing the billionaire problem at all.

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I think Bernie addressed this issue pretty well in the last election, but of course the MSM didn't cover that aspect very much and even suggested he was "radical" socialist.

Today, people like Tucker are starting to address the massive wealth and income inequality. Obviously, our current political and MSM system continues to ignore this glaring reality.

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I agree, I was a Bernie supporter, but I mean no one is actually doing anything about it. It's all talk. Whether it's actually beneficial or not all other issues are actively being engaged and I have no doubt will continue to be. I'm not saying we shouldn't still discuss those issues but the billionaire issue should be by at large our major focus, that is THE problem right now. It's like a proverbial elephant in the room and 9.5 out of 10 people are arguing over whether we should wash the dishes or pick up the trash. As I see it it really doesn't matter if the dishes are even cleaned because if we don't do something with this god damned elephant they're all going to be smashed and the entire room will become trash.

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Probably because sufficiently addressing wealth inequality requires a serious upheaval of our current status quo; whereas blaming the 'others' of society is mostly just business as usual.

People are more devoted to "order" than to justice; prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension over a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

Is this because people are naturally lazy? Or perhaps it's because the billionaires who stand to lose the most also currently exhibit the most power over our society and put every effort into keeping the masses complacent?

If we are supposed to vote with our dollars under capitalism in order to shape our society, and a tiny minority of people control the vast majority of wealth, would it not be reasonable to expect that this tiny minority would be the ones controlling the development of society?

I've stopped waiting for the masses to rise up in revolution, but I still am unwilling to submit. Insurrection is my conclusion. Not revolution - insurrection.

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krypto2000 said:

JHOVA said:

one reason not support BLM is they stoke racial tension and end up creating riots which in turn get more blacks locked up and killed by the police. pretty much the opposite reason for its existence.
BLM was funded by soros as an election wedge to push minorities and libshits away from the republican party. if you look closely BLM ran out of money once the open society foundation stopped funding them.

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That reads like a bunch of conspiracy theory not backed up by evidence, I suspect it is. BLM is also a disorganized movement, there is no central organizers or group so to say "they ran out of funding" doesn't even make sense. Did the hippie movement die out in the 60's bc their Jew backers stopped cutting them checks?

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/

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That funding comes in addition to more than $33 million in grants to the Black Lives Matter movement from top Democratic Party donor George Soros through his Open Society Foundations, as well as grant-making from the Center for American Progress.

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https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/open-society-foundations/

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Open Society Foundations’ 2015-2018 U.S. Programs plan lists a number of redistributionist policy goals and sets out the organizations that will function as either “anchor” or “core” grantees for that specific set of goals.[49] Included among these grantees are a number of hot-button left-wing contemporary organizations such as the Black Lives Matter aligned group Color of Change, UnidosUS (formerly the National Council of La Raza), and the NAACP.

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https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/23896-hacked-documents-soros-funded-black-lives-matter

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When George Soros’s Open Society Foundations (OSF) was accused last year of funding Black Lives Matter (BLM), Ken Zimmerman, the director of U.S. programs at OSF, flatly denied it and claimed it was a fantastic rumor. “I can’t really speculate on what leads to rumors, but it is wrong,” he said, “I don’t even know where one begins to reconstruct something like that.” Early this week, hackers published documents which show that two months before Zimmerman’s denial, the OSF board approved $650,000 to BLM.

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conspiracy! they lied about supporting a archo-communist movement. then DCleaks exposed them. then they admitted it. what did you say earlier about me and reading comprehension.


i admitted i was wrong earlier can you ? i didnt even get into the ford foundation and how many millions they dump into the g r a s s  r o o t s organization BLM.

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Soros' letter begins: “The world has been unsettled by a surge in forced migration. Tens of millions of people are on the move, fleeing their home countries in search of a better life abroad. Some are escaping civil war or an oppressive regime; others are forced out by extreme poverty, lured by the possibility of economic advancement for themselves and their families.”

This is quite true. And Soros should know since his think tank is fully on board with that “forced migration”. He has either initiated it or facilitated it and, according to Viktor Orban, Prime Minister of Hungary (which is presently holding a referendum on whether to accept migrant quotas as demanded by the EU), as quoted by Bloomberg: “His name is perhaps the strongest example of those who support anything that weakens nation states, they support everything that changes the traditional European lifestyle […] These activists who support immigrants inadvertently become part of this international human-smuggling network.”

Soros-backed activists are at the center of that network.

Soros continues: “Our collective failure to develop and implement effective policies to handle the increased flow has contributed greatly to human misery and political instability—both in countries people are fleeing and in the countries that host them, willingly or not. Migrants are often forced into lives of idle despair, while host countries fail to reap the proven benefit that greater integration could bring.”

Hungarian PM says his country does not need ‘a single migrant’
I have touched on Soros’ psychological peculiarities elsewhere; his narcissistic traits notwithstanding, I shall assume he is not using the royal “we”. That granted, about whom is he speaking when he talks of “Our collective failure to develop and implement effective policies”? If about governments, we should remember that he is elected to no nation’s government, nor has he ever been.

That does not prevent him, however, from meddling in their internal affairs and supporting insurrections such as so-called Color Revolutions, including in Georgia and Ukraine, and whipping up chaos via BLM in the US.

He also famously attacked the British pound, making himself a billion dollars.

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The "BEZOS Act" would tax corporations for every dollar that their low-wage workers receive in government assistance.

>Sen. Bernie Sanders' criticism of Amazon peaked Wednesday as he and Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., introduced legislation to tax corporations for every dollar that their low-wage workers receive in government health-care benefits or food stamps.

>The bill, pointedly called the Stop Bad Employers by Zeroing Out Subsidies, or BEZOS, Act, is aimed at shaming companies like Amazon and Walmart, whose workers rely on public assistance.

>For months, Sanders has targeted Amazon, juxtaposing the wealth of CEO Jeff Bezos with reports that Amazon warehouse workers are paid less than industry averages and rely on food stamps.

>Bezos is the richest man in the world, with a net worth of more than $168 billion.

>"Our legislation gives large, profitable employers a choice: Pay workers a living wage or pay for the public assistance programs their low-wage employees are forced to depend upon," Sanders said of the proposed law.

>For example, if an Amazon worker received $2,000 in food stamps, Amazon would be taxed $2,000 to cover that cost.

>Amazon has previously called the Vermont independent's claims about working conditions in its fulfillment centers "inaccurate and misleading" and a spokesperson declined to further comment on the bill.

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krypto2000 said:

Fair enough, it's not a conspiracy theory. I still don't quite understand though, it seems like an ambiguity in what is defined as the BLM movement. It is a disorganized movement. It looks like these various groups fund it and essentially to reverse organize it if you will; creating and directing the anarchy almost.

I do agree that seems questionable in that it is manipulative, but I also do not really see anything particularly harmful when analysing it either. It does make me wonder though, something very nefarious could come out of it; organic activists could be right in what they are doing yet be a small piece in a larger orchestrated picture that they do not realize. Now I'm actually delving into conspiracy theory territory. I do find this rather alarming.

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JHOVA said:

one reason not support BLM is they stoke racial tension and end up creating riots which in turn get more blacks locked up and killed by the police. pretty much the opposite reason for its existence.
BLM was funded by received funding from soros as an election wedge to push minorities and libshits away from the republican party. if you look closely BLM ran out of money once the open society foundation stopped funding them.

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krypto2000 said:

qman said:

krypto2000 said:

I think cops treat everyone unfairly except rich people. I am white. I support BLM because it brings exposure to police brutality. As I see it this helps everyone. I also see dismissing them, belittling them, or whatever because white people are not specifically included has the opposite effect and instead empowers the police.

Why would you not support their movement? Do you think if they stopped targeting black people so much that they would instead target ehite people? I just don't see anything to lose, at worst someone else gains something, at best we all do (except the abusive police and those benefiting from the prison industrial complex). It's like saying if we can't fix the entire problem all at once we shouldn't fix any of it.

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Why would I support a movement that fails to acknowledge the same issues that affect everybody?  They divide people down racial lines, that's very problematic.

What if I suggested I want to raise the minimum wage for white people?  I mean at worst at least white people will make more money. We could one day work on a higher wage for non-whites, but why stop progress, correct?

Let's exclude people with identical issues and then become irate when there's a lack of unity.

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There are plenty of white people out there supporting them and they are welcomed, they do not push them away or anything. The difference with your wage analogy is to raise the minimum wage only for white people would then create a disadvantage for everyone who is not white. If you said to end under the table payments below minimum wage for white people that would be more equivalent. Do you not see the difference?

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Why would I support a movement that highlights their experiences, and ignores the same experience simply because of the color of my skin?

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There shouldn't be any issue addressing different sets of problems simultaneously, it happens all the time.

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It's the same problem, there's nothing different about it. Police brutality affects all US citizens regardless of race.

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Same problem of police brutality? For sure. Same causes? Same solutions? I'm not so sure.

The USA is full of various communities that are culturally distinct enough to envision that different responses may be beneficial.

Even if I'm wrong, does 'Black Lives Matter' imply that police brutality is not an issue for non-blacks? I don't think so - if, as you say, the problem is completely the same across country and communities, then any progress made by BLM would be progress felt by everyone else as well. It's not like they are trying to pass anti police brutality reform that only protects blacks - they are trying to pass anti police brutality reform, full stop.

I can understand not being an active participant, if you prefer to focus only on things that directly and explicitly relate to you - but why put your energy into actively opposing BLM?

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koods said:

Conservatives get so bent out of shape when rich liberals use their money to advance their own beliefs. Only conservatives are allowed to do that. Hell, liberals aren’t even supposed to be rich.

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qman said:

Like supporting a movement that only concerns itself with police brutality towards non-whites?

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The Mayor'a press conference to announce the new police chief was taken over by community activists tonight. This is Jonathan Thompson, the friend and coworker of Philando Castile who became an activist after Castile'a death. And that is community activist Chauntyll Allen in the blue hat

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qman said:

koods said:

Conservatives get so bent out of shape when rich liberals use their money to advance their own beliefs. Only conservatives are allowed to do that. Hell, liberals aren’t even supposed to be rich.

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"rich liberals"  = Oxymoron

You mean phony "liberals".

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Like supporting a movement that only concerns itself with police brutality towards non-whites?

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Is it only concerned with police brutality towards non-whites, or merely centered on the issue as it effects them?

Below I link to a video of a protest for Justine Damond - a white woman killed by a black police officer. Never been about race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BW1KiVClAn3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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The Mayor'a press conference to announce the new police chief was taken over by community activists tonight. This is Jonathan Thompson, the friend and coworker of Philando Castile who became an activist after Castile'a death. And that is community activist Chauntyll Allen in the blue hat

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Like supporting a movement that only concerns itself with police brutality towards non-whites?

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Is it only concerned with police brutality towards non-whites, or merely centered on the issue as it effects them?

Below I link to a video of a protest for Justine Damond - a white woman killed by a black police officer. Never been about race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BW1KiVClAn3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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The Mayor'a press conference to announce the new police chief was taken over by community activists tonight. This is Jonathan Thompson, the friend and coworker of Philando Castile who became an activist after Castile'a death. And that is community activist Chauntyll Allen in the blue hat

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We talk about the disproportionate violence of the police towards people of color because it’s true. It’s also true that the police kill white citizens too. Police violence is everyone’s problem.

#DanielShaver

should be alive.

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The Brutal Police Execution of Daniel Shaver Sadly I've studied 100s of videos of American police executing non-violent, unarmed people. This is one of the worst I've ever witnessed. This happened in January of 2016, but the judge just released the video. A grave injustice.

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