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WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery
    #3490181 - 12/13/04 10:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

BLACK BOX COVER-UP

Rescue workers silenced after exposing 9-11 whitewash

By Greg Szymanski

A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to ?keep my mouth shut? about one of the ?black boxes? a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four ?black boxes? among the WTC rubble before January 2002.

The pair first claimed in an August 2003 book entitled Behind the Scene: Ground Zero to have found the data recorders.

DeMasi said the ?black boxes? were found while he traversed ?ground zero? in his all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with three federal agents.

FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders.

Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret.

?They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,? recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi?s ATV. ?I said, ?Give me a good reason.? When they couldn?t, I told them I wouldn?t shut up about it.

?Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It?s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.?

Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the ?black boxes.? He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents.

?I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,? said Bellone. ?They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.?

Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn?t break a fellow worker?s confidence by revealing his identity.

?I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia cleanup, and you know when something important is found and when something is not,? he said.

The day the ?black boxes? were secretly carted away, agents acted like ?something big was going down,? he added.

Bellone said he never learned the FBI agents? names as this type of personal contact and information wasn?t exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero.

?They had on their FBI jackets, but I?m sure I could pick them out of a lineup or recognize their pictures,? said Bellone.

The pair?s bombshell accusations blow a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 9-11 commission report.?

In Chapter 1, footnote 76, there is the sole but definitive reference to the airline ?black boxes?: ?The CVR?s and the FDR?s [voice and flight data recorders] from American 11 and United 175 were not found.?

Asked if DeMasi and Bellone were questioned or subpoenaed, commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said: ?I can?t tell you now if he was one of the 1,200 people we interviewed or if the book was one of the countless ones we researched. We explored every lead, but I will try to find out if we talked with him and get back to you.?

Bellone said commission members never contacted him or DeMasi and never asked the two to appear before the group even though the book was published well before the hearings commenced.

?I have been contacted by only one newspaper reporter, from The Philadelphia Daily News,? said Bellone, referring to an October 2004 story by reporter William Bunch, who recapped DeMasi?s statements as well as the usual official denials.

Those close to the 9-11 investigation said the recovery of the ?black boxes? is important because they may hold vital clues about what really happened on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

The cockpit voice recorder uses a pair of microphones to capture all cockpit sounds for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight. The flight data recorder is also significant since it records altitude, heading and airspeed.

Both recorders are designed to withstand enormous impact and heat. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials said they should have withstood the conditions at the WTC.

And finding the boxes after a crash seems to be standard procedure, according to the NTSB.

?It?s extremely rare that we don?t get the recorders back,? said NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz. ?I can?t remember another case which we did not recover the recorders.?

Bellone is retired and was made an honorary New York fireman for his efforts after 9-11. DeMasi has recently retired from Engine Co. 261, nicknamed the ?Flaming Skulls.?


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3493150 - 12/13/04 08:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Why would they want to keep the discovery of the black boxes a secret?







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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Learyfan]
    #3493165 - 12/13/04 08:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Evidence in legal cases is usually kept secret before a trial, etc.


Edited by Great_Satan (12/13/04 08:07 PM)


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3493196 - 12/13/04 08:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Great_Satan said:
Evidence in legal cases is usually kept secret before a trial, etc.




The government's story is that there were no black boxes found though.  :shocked:







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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Learyfan]
    #3493337 - 12/13/04 08:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Let me get this straight. An honorary fire fighter and his partner found 3 of 4 black boxes in January, which thousands of other searchers couldn't find for 4 months, by driving around the site in his ATV. He might have a shred of credibility if he said he found 1 of them but 3??????? You have to be an utter fool to believe any of what this guy says.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3493559 - 12/13/04 09:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Let me get this straight. An honorary fire fighter and his partner found 3 of 4 black boxes in January, which thousands of other searchers couldn't find for 4 months, by driving around the site in his ATV. He might have a shred of credibility if he said he found 1 of them but 3??????? You have to be an utter fool to believe any of what this guy says.




How do you know that the boxes weren't buried under tons of rubble? Because if that's true, someone had to be the person drive by them and say "Hey look, are these the black boxes?"

Why is it unthinkable that the boxes would hit the ground in relatively the same place? I would expect that to be the case.






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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3493661 - 12/13/04 09:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i think a UFO with some aliens stole the black boxes.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3494151 - 12/13/04 10:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The black boxes were destroyed, yet a paper passport was still found at gound zero.

And people call us gullible?  :rolleyes:


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Learyfan]
    #3494186 - 12/13/04 10:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

a more accurate rebuttal would be to point out that these
things have wonderful little homing devices on them that
can be used to triangulate and locate each one.

it doesn't imply that they were on a sunday stroll on an
atv at everyone's favorite offroad site, ground zero. it stated
that they were escorting these spooks around on these things
trying to locate them after which time they put the hush hush
into effect.

but, yeah, atta's passport survives unscathed, but the black
boxes were never to be found....sha.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3494789 - 12/14/04 12:23 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Great_Satan said:
Evidence in legal cases is usually kept secret before a trial, etc.




In that case, the American public should keep these pieces of evidence secret until George Bush and his administration goes on trial for terrorism!


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: afoaf]
    #3495363 - 12/14/04 02:27 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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but, yeah, atta's passport survives unscathed, but the black
boxes were never to be found....sha.




some miracle eh?


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Vvellum]
    #3498030 - 12/14/04 05:30 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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bi0 said:
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but, yeah, atta's passport survives unscathed, but the black
boxes were never to be found....sha.




some miracle eh?





I wonder what the people who believe the official story think about this miracle.







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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: Learyfan]
    #3500045 - 12/14/04 10:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Let me get this straight. An honorary fire fighter and his partner found 3 of 4 black boxes in January, which thousands of other searchers couldn't find for 4 months, by driving around the site in his ATV. He might have a shred of credibility if he said he found 1 of them but 3??????? You have to be an utter fool to believe any of what this guy says.




How do you know that the boxes weren't buried under tons of rubble? Because if that's true, someone had to be the person drive by them and say "Hey look, are these the black boxes?"

Why is it unthinkable that the boxes would hit the ground in relatively the same place? I would expect that to be the case.




You might have a point if there weren't 2 separate planes. And are these boxes kept right next to each other on the plane and is it inconceivable to you that, given the circumstances, two adjacent molecules would end up in wildly different places considering the impact, fire and building collapse. Or didn't those things happen? And yet, these two peckerheads found all three boxes that were found in spite of earlier efforts by thousands of people to do just that. It wobbles the mind the amount of shit you will buy.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3500267 - 12/14/04 10:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, the article doesn't say that they were found in the same place. I don't think that it's strange that two of them might be found in relatively the same place though.

Either way, what probably happened was that they weren't looking for the black boxes for a while and then probably found them very soon after looking using the homing devices.





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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3500449 - 12/14/04 11:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Let me get this straight. An honorary fire fighter and his partner found 3 of 4 black boxes in January, which thousands of other searchers couldn't find for 4 months, by driving around the site in his ATV. He might have a shred of credibility if he said he found 1 of them but 3??????? You have to be an utter fool to believe any of what this guy says.




How do you know that the boxes weren't buried under tons of rubble? Because if that's true, someone had to be the person drive by them and say "Hey look, are these the black boxes?"

Why is it unthinkable that the boxes would hit the ground in relatively the same place? I would expect that to be the case.




You might have a point if there weren't 2 separate planes. And are these boxes kept right next to each other on the plane and is it inconceivable to you that, given the circumstances, two adjacent molecules would end up in wildly different places considering the impact, fire and building collapse. Or didn't those things happen? And yet, these two peckerheads found all three boxes that were found in spite of earlier efforts by thousands of people to do just that. It wobbles the mind the amount of shit you will buy.




You do realise that when the towers collapsed there were thousands of tons of rubble and debris which buried the blackboxes? Like someone mentioned earlier, the blackboxes have homing devices on them so they can be tracked down. They probably knew the location of each one of them, but obviously they couldn't get to them right away. They needed to wait until the cleanup effort was well under way. So these three federal agents that accompanied him probably had a good idea where all the blackboxes were.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: DNKYD]
    #3501748 - 12/15/04 02:54 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i wonder why it says they were 'silenced'... they don't seem to be very silent to me...


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #3502917 - 12/15/04 11:29 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If they wanted to supress the black boxes why would they have these two peckerheads searching for them, followed by three federal agents with devices for detecting the homing devices? Why wouldn't they just do it themselves? Here's the more likely scenario, to wit, these attention seeking bullshit artists were trying to cash in on the fact that they had stepped on rubble at the WTC. A tip of the ole aluminum chapeau to anyone who believes these (honorary and retired) firemen with a book. Sales must have been slowing down.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3503392 - 12/15/04 02:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Here's the more likely scenario, to wit, these attention seeking bullshit artists were trying to cash in on the fact that they had stepped on rubble at the WTC. A tip of the ole aluminum chapeau to anyone who believes these (honorary and retired) firemen with a book. Sales must have been slowing down.




Interesting hypothesis.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3516097 - 12/18/04 03:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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usefulidiot said:
The black boxes were destroyed, yet a paper passport was still found at gound zero.

And people call us gullible?  :rolleyes:




That is irrelevant... watch the airplanes hit the towers... then watch the paper flying after. Almost ANY video of the attack will confirm this. Paper made it out of the other side of the WTC in better shape than either plane (Or the WTC itself for that matter). Also... the black boxes were in the BIG BURNING part of the WTC... where in the WTC was this passport? Was it even in the impact zone? Paper floats... especially in Downtown Manhattan... birthplace of the Ticker-Tape parade. All New Yorkers know this.

The WTC was an OFFICE BUILDINGS... it had more paper inside than anything else. There was more paper than smoke it seemed on 9-11. It was amazing how a thing as fragile as paper survived the attack so well, and yet it did.

I found scraps of WTC paper on the ground for WEEKS after the collapse... as far as 2 miles away.

Paper was everywhere... something you probably wouldn't know unless you were there.

As for the black box article, seems a little hard to prove or disprove. So it sounds like almost ANY other conspiracy theory to me.

Has anybody else reported these findings... or did these people just go to one tin-hat website to explain their groundbreaking discovery?

I think it is bullshit... but like most conspiracies theories, there isn't enough info to thoroughly prove or disprove it.

Two guys finding 3 boxes... after 4 months, I'm no math whiz but that sounds statistically improbable.


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Re: WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Black Box Discovery [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3516400 - 12/18/04 08:20 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Let me get this straight. An honorary fire fighter and his partner found 3 of 4 black boxes in January, which thousands of other searchers couldn't find for 4 months, by driving around the site in his ATV. He might have a shred of credibility if he said he found 1 of them but 3??????? You have to be an utter fool to believe any of what this guy says.




You were not there, you have no idea what the cleanup situation at hand was like.


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