Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Kyle Kulinski just destroys Chris Stigall on Fox News.  The one part that gives Fox a point is where they interject a short clip of a democratic candidate (Cori Bush) who wasn't ready for a simple tax question (the answer should simply have been the rich should pay more than they are today).  But otherwise, Fox looks moronic.

The is a video about whether Democrats are going too far left.  The answer is clearly no.

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VroomerMcZoomers said:

"The problem today for the left is they are way too far out of touch with the radical social issues. "

Like what social issues?  What radical social issues does Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, or Kyle Kulinski advocate?

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qman said:

The problem today for the left is they are way too far out of touch with the radical social issues.  This turns too many people off when it comes to the basic questions of wealth inequality.

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qman said:

The issue of taxation can't be discussed in 2 minutes on TV, it's too complicated.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

The problem today for the left is they are way too far out of touch with the radical social issues.  This turns too many people off when it comes to the basic questions of wealth inequality.

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I don't understand what you mean.  Did you watch the video?  As Kyle said, polls show "the American people overwhelmingly support Medicare for All, they overwhelmingly support free college, they overwhelmingly want to end the wars.  So when you go issue for issue, the American people are actually with the far left".

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qman said:

No disagreement there on those issues listed above, the problem is "the far left" also goes off into radical positions that put them into a very small minority. That's what ultimately destroys their overall platform.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

No disagreement there on those issues listed above, the problem is "the far left" also goes off into radical positions that put them into a very small minority. That's what ultimately destroys their overall platform.

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You'll need to provide an example of a position the far left takes that destroys their overall platform.

I'm talking about a position that the majority of the far left supports, not some dumb extremist position that Faux News likes to pretend is representative of the entire far left, like what Chris tried to feed you in the video above where he mentioned "abolishing law enforcement".

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Obviously, the immigration debate is the great divider here. As soon as they suggest that they want to divide the social services pie with immigrants, the whole issue turns into a shitfest.

You can't advocate for more social services and unlimited immigration at the same time, the vast majority of the American people won't buy it.

VroomerMcZoomers said:

"It's not the leadership in the Democratic party that's so much the issue, it's mostly the movements that support them."

That's a pretty nebulous fear. 

Can you be a bit more precise?  What movements?  What do they want? 

This 'Justice Democrat' movement's core demands are tuition free post secondary, a federal jobs guarantee, public health insurance and a livable minimum wage.

You can't support that because some other people who support it also have some ideas you don't like?

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christopera said:

What social services are you referring to? Legal immigrants aren't entitled to the majority of social services, including food stamps Medicaid. Illegal immigrants have access to precisely none of the social services. It's been that way for like 20 years.

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qman said:

christopera said:

What social services are you referring to? Legal immigrants aren't entitled to the majority of social services, including food stamps Medicaid. Illegal immigrants have access to precisely none of the social services. It's been that way for like 20 years.

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Who are you trying to fool here?  Do I need to spell out how the game is played?

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qman said:

Obviously, the immigration debate is the great divider here. As soon as they suggest that they want to divide the social services pie with immigrants, the whole issue turns into a shitfest.

You can't advocate for more social services and unlimited immigration at the same time, the vast majority of the American people won't buy it.

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Open borders is NOT a mainstream far left position.  You've been duped.

Here is a Fox News summary of Corez's positions, for example:



Note that open borders isn't on the list.

VroomerMcZoomers said:

It doesn't matter what Cortez's positions are. 

There are Cortez supporters who have  ideas of their own.  That's what matters.

At least according to one average voter here.

So, no public health insurance for USA, no livable minimum wage,  the student loan crisis will continue, and permanent war will continue.

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christopera said:

qman said:

christopera said:

What social services are you referring to? Legal immigrants aren't entitled to the majority of social services, including food stamps Medicaid. Illegal immigrants have access to precisely none of the social services. It's been that way for like 20 years.

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Who are you trying to fool here?  Do I need to spell out how the game is played?

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Obviously you do. If you are buying Trump's line about social services being provided to illegal immigrants then I'm not fooling anybody, you are fooling yourself by buying into that bullshit.

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