xzylocybin said:

The knights templar were a christian military group, but christianity does not promise a place in heaven for killing non believers. They may have been told that at the time as a political ploy to get more recruits, but political ploys aren't religious doctrine.

Also yea several hundred years old, about as viable of a reaponce as Norse mythology.

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The Ecstatic said:

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?


Either way, you're assuming ISIS wouldnt exist if Islam lacked the concept of martyrdom. Religion is just an excuse, and this is coming from an ex-hardcore Sam Harris sloberrer. There's Buddhists genociding Muslims in Myanmar. Christians slaughtering Muslims, and vice versa, in Central and North Africa. Muslims slaughtering other Muslims in MENA, Christians slaughtering other Christians in the Ukraine and Ireland.

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lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?


Either way, you're assuming ISIS wouldnt exist if Islam lacked the concept of martyrdom. Religion is just an excuse, and this is coming from an ex-hardcore Sam Harris sloberrer. There's Buddhists genociding Muslims in Myanmar. Christians slaughtering Muslims, and vice versa, in Central and North Africa. Muslims slaughtering other Muslims in MENA, Christians slaughtering other Christians in the Ukraine and Ireland.

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  Alright.  Now back it all up with credible links.

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Where are all the credible links on your side?

I swear, people rarely post links to back up their claims then demand them from everyone else...

Then when people actually post links it seems like many people just read the first few sentences if anything

It's really ridiculous. Not saying you specifically do this but it's a pattern that seems really common with certain groups cough cough republicans cough

lowbrow said:

This ain't the pub.  This is political discussion.  If you claim something as a fact that could be a fabrication, if called on it you have to back it up with credible evidence.

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Bubbles85 said:

He also managed to edit his post with out the °edited by date/time" appearing at the bottom.
...

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lowbrow said:

This ain't the pub.  This is political discussion.  If you claim something as a fact that could be a fabrication, if called on it you have to back it up with credible evidence.

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Funny as I don't remember seeing evidence for many of the claims against Muslims even after people questioned them...

It's a good habit to include sources if you are making a point people are likely to question.

Hence why I looked up actual bible quotes and didn't just make generalizations about all christians

Shroomism said:

Listen to this ex-KGB agent explain how to destabilize a nation by indoctrinating the population through Marxist/far left ideals. 
Keep in mind this came out in 1984.

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when he talked puppeting leaders
and being sold on the illusion of peace with Russia while perpetually at war
and that the process was already underway
made me really kind of fear Trump's presidency
and how Trump was speaking to Oprah back in '88 about presidency
and using, even then, language that defames America while 'sounding' patriotic

is it possible that the Russians have gotten into the American political system via cultural media
Oprah is planning on being your next president right?

lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?


Either way, you're assuming ISIS wouldnt exist if Islam lacked the concept of martyrdom. Religion is just an excuse, and this is coming from an ex-hardcore Sam Harris sloberrer. There's Buddhists genociding Muslims in Myanmar. Christians slaughtering Muslims, and vice versa, in Central and North Africa. Muslims slaughtering other Muslims in MENA, Christians slaughtering other Christians in the Ukraine and Ireland.

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  Alright.  Now back it all up with credible links.

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lowbrow said:

It's not our job to teach you how to debate.

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The Ecstatic said:

Asking for detailed sources for an outrageous claim is reasonable. But apparently its beyond lowbrow's imagination that there are multiple inter and intrafaith conflicts in the world

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musiclover420 said:

… when people actually post links it seems like many people just read the first few sentences if anything

It's really ridiculous. Not saying you specifically do this but it's a pattern that seems really common with certain groups cough cough republicans cough

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Bubbles85 said:

He also managed to edit his post with out the °edited by date/time" appearing at the bottom. All his post contained initially was what is quoted by musiclover.

I began a reply to falcon in another thread in the political forum a few days ago and by the time I'd finished typing and posted it, his post had been deleted.

Very curious indeed.

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What's curious about it?  Every once in a while I make a hasty post and correct myself before someone else does. 

In fact, I did it on this post.

cogito69 said:

musiclover420 said:

… when people actually post links it seems like many people just read the first few sentences if anything

It's really ridiculous. Not saying you specifically do this but it's a pattern that seems really common with certain groups cough cough republicans cough

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It’s a pattern for everybody. Everybody does it while accusing whoever they’re talking with of doing it. Two good books about such thinking are:

Thinking Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman, 2011
Farrar, Straus & Giroux, ISBN-13: 978-0374533557

Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts, by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson, 2007, 2015, Mariner Books; Revised, New edition edition (October 20, 2015),
ISBN-13: 978-0544574786

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For sure, I have definitely done it sometimes. I do usually try and start with sources though, for some stuff at least.

It gets old when people don't even acknowledge them half the time if not more, then complain when you stop using sources

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Bubbles85 said:

He also managed to edit his post with out the °edited by date/time" appearing at the bottom. All his post contained initially was what is quoted by musiclover.

I began a reply to falcon in another thread in the political forum a few days ago and by the time I'd finished typing and posted it, his post had been deleted.

Very curious indeed.

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What's curious about it?  Every once in a while I make a hasty post and correct myself before someone else does. 

In fact, I did it on this post.

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