cogito69 said:

Mad_Larkin said:

when Christians start blowing up children at concerts i'll be the first to denounce them.

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New York Times, May 3,1995:
    “TERROR IN OKLAHOMA: THE CHILDREN; Tender Memories of Day-Care Center Are All That Remain After The Bomb ...

    “Of the 21 children who were inside the day-care center on the morning of April 19, the morning of the bombing, 15 are dead, including all four of the infants by the window. Five are hospitalized, burned and broken. Only one returned home, a little girl with a broken leg. All three teachers in the center were also killed”

Wikipedia:
    “Although the FBI had concluded in 1965 that the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing had been committed by four known Ku Klux Klansmen and segregationists—Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., Herman Frank Cash, Robert Edward Chambliss, and Bobby Frank Cherry“

If I remember correctly, Timothy McVeigh and all four of the KKK bombers in Birmingham were “Christians”. Granted, those bombings weren’t at concerts, but you get the drift ... no religion has a monopoly on either good or evil.

Most terrorist bombings are political, some try to justify their behavior by claiming religious motivation.

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Mad_Larkin said:

Asclepius said:

Enlil said:

They rent hotel rooms and shoot at people instead.  Or they blow up federal buildings.

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"If I become president, I propose a total and complete shutdown of Christians entering the United States!" 

"Christians aren't bringing us their best.  They are not our friend, believe me.  They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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false equivalence

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Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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There are many wars mentioned in the Bible. Wars of conquest (Joshua 1:6), civil wars (2 Samuel 3:1), and even a war in heaven (Revelation 12:7). Of course, wars involve killing; there is no way around it. We know that murder is sin (Exodus 20:13). But what about the killing of an enemy combatant during wartime?

First, we know that not all killing in wartime is a sin because there have been times when God Himself commanded battles to be fought.

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God told King Saul to “go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them” (1 Samuel 15:3). King David defeated the Philistines by following God’s strategy concerning the battle (2 Samuel 5:23–25). God never tells people to sin, so the Israelites who followed God’s commands to wage war were not sinning. Killing in war cannot be equated with murder.

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So it's cool to kill people as long as god says so, then it's not murder or a sin! Seems totally logical to me

Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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The Ecstatic said:

Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?

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I feel like every major religion has said something along those lines at one point or another. After a religion has been around for hundreds or thousands of years it seems impossible for there to be 0 hypocrisy. People are flawed after all. Look at the crusades and many other holy wars where countless atrocities were committed in the name of god/religion...

Then there is all the "give us all your money so you can go to heaven" BS. Religions have been manipulating people for about as long as they've been around

Here's a great panel from Berserk that sums up my feelings on religion:

The Ecstatic said:

Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?

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The Ecstatic said:

Religion is stupid but its not the biggest factor in the terrorism of the oppressed and disenfrachised.

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I don't know about that, religions have been oppressing people for a long time, ironic as most have also had their own periods of persecution so you'd think they would be more understanding

I think religion + capitalism/ western ideologies are largely responsible for most of the extremists we have today.

What other bigger factors are there? Western countries interfering all over the globe has also no doubt played a huge role... But I would consider that part of capitalism and our western way of life.

musiclover420 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Mad_Larkin said:

give me an example of another religion that guarantees its followers a place in heaven if they die fighting infidels

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Uhh tons.

How bout The Branch Dividians?

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The Ecstatic said:

Religion is stupid but its not the biggest factor in the terrorism of the oppressed and disenfrachised.

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I don't know about that, religions have been oppressing people for a long time, ironic as most have also had their own periods of persecution so you'd think they would be more understanding

I think religion + capitalism/ western ideologies are largely responsible for most of the extremists we have today.

What other bigger factors are there? Western countries interfering all over the globe has also no doubt played a huge role... But I would consider that part of capitalism and our western way of life.

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The Ecstatic said:

The branch dividians are SEMI radical? Lol alright.

The Templar Knights are another example.

Now you say "that was a long time ago"

Then I say "then clearly it has to do with mote than just the scripture"

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Bubbles85 said:

He also managed to edit his post with out the °edited by date/time" appearing at the bottom. All his post contained initially was what is quoted by musiclover.

I began a reply to falcon in another thread in the political forum a few days ago and by the time I'd finished typing and posted it, his post had been deleted.

Very curious indeed.

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The Ecstatic said:

Id put capitalism way ahead of religion.

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xzylocybin said:

The Ecstatic said:

The branch dividians are SEMI radical? Lol alright.

The Templar Knights are another example.

Now you say "that was a long time ago"

Then I say "then clearly it has to do with mote than just the scripture"

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The knights templar were a christian military group, but christianity does not promise a place in heaven for killing non believers. They may have been told that at the time as a political ploy to get more recruits, but political ploys aren't religious doctrine.

Also yea several hundred years old, about as viable of a reaponce as Norse mythology.

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How is that any different then someone from hundreds of years ago like Muhammad preaching violence? You don't see the hypocrisy?

Promising a place in heaven for killing non believers and promising you won't go to hell as killing non believers isn't a sin is basically the same thing...

The end result is the same, saying it's ok to kill _____ as long as god says so...