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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
qman said:
How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


It seems they feel good because they are virtue signalling and they hope to garner votes this way.

They are making looking at "alt right" opinions the same as looking at pedo porn. It is a slippery slope which is why I'm against criminalizing looking at things. Sure pedos are disgusting, hurt children and so on. But, looking at or possessing a photo should not mean going to jail for decades. Since the public held still for that, they go to the next logical progression which is having the "wrong" opinions according to pc and idiotic lib politicians being made equally illegal. Where does it stop? Even ball seems to be doubtful about it. I would not be surprised if fal was against it. Only the true loonies are in favor of it.


Again, this law is from the conservatives.

This law would not be constitutional in the US.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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UK doesnt have the free speech laws we do. Hered to hoping May shoots herself in the foot again though and voices support for nazi propagandists.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: The Ecstatic]
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you'll call anything a nazi or alt-right, or far-right. bunk.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
UK doesnt have the free speech laws we do. Hered to hoping May shoots herself in the foot again though and voices support for nazi propagandists.


Nazism is a perfectly viable political theory, and people have a right to believe in it if they so choose.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: akira_akuma]
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It blows my mind how some people can seem so intelligent yet still believe in fairy tales.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Hobozen]
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Hobozen said:
It blows my mind how some people can seem so intelligent yet still believe in fairy tales.


intelligence isn't everything. a most intelligent person, in the world war two period, was a nazi- and NatSoc is...laughably bad political theory. :lolsy: "gibme dats poland! no? then bombing runs poland!"

yeah, they didn't last too long.

but yeah, Hjalmar Schacht's IQ was 143 for example, but probably not the smartest cookie for going from a Democrat to Nazi, and all for the fact of "muh Historical buttfuckedness" and "muh revenge", all whilst claiming superiority. that's some cognitive dissonance, right there.

plus high IQ people they don't seem to be necessarily the best ethicists. see B.F Skinner, for example.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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Considering poland was originally part of Germany prior to WW1, really not that surprising they wanted to seize it back. They're also not innocent little poles who got steamrolled by Germany out of the blue. The 1939 Danzig Massacre was organized by the Bolsheviks (all Jews) and the Polish Government (lots of jews). They massacred 58,000 German Nationals within the Danzig corridor in Poland, which was originally part of Germany and was stolen from them with the Treaty of Versailles. Most people would call that a genocide. Tell me, if a government like Canada acted in that capacity and slaughtered 58,000 americans in a time of peace, war would be completely justifiable no? Of course, but since we're talking about the EVIL NAZIS, thats totally glossed over in any historical context, and that wasnt even the only instance in which they slaughtered Germans and targeted them ethnically. There was also Bloomberg bloody Sunday and a number of other smaller incidents in which villages and rural areas were genocided. France and Britain explicitly backed these actions up with secret pacts and promised to defend Poland once it was inevitably invaded for genociding Germans. Now if you knew any of this you wouldnt be sitting here defending Poland from getting Blitzkreiged, and the Bolsheviks within it, genocided themselves. As for how effective National Socialism was under Hitler, he managed to bring Germany out of the crippling depression it was in within a few years. Slashing unemployment by 40% in a single year alone. You try and recreate those numbers with any other sort of political system out there. You cant do it. National socialism is superior to any other political ideology out there by far.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
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Good post, bodhi. People, (left loonies) do not want to hear the facts, they got their programming from media, the uni, and their lib friends and do not want to hear anything which debunks their beliefs. Hitler and the holocaust are basically a religion now. If you bring up any inconvenient facts, you are of course called a nazi or worse. They think that by calling names it discredits the facts.

Its like if you went into a catholic church and said jesus was not a virgin birth and was just a guy like many others. You would be invited to leave, they may attack you, and if you were a member they will revoke your membership. No heresy allowed! Same with the religion around hitler, anything that shows the "historical record" is in fact largely exaggerated or partly false is automatically heresy and will get you locked up in jail in many countries. Here we have the first amendment which is inconvenient to the pc crowd so they just attack you verbally, sometimes physically if they have you outnumbered, and try to get you fired from your job for discussing history.

Good post too, hobozen


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
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I cant really blame them. Theyve been brought up under the influence of a very well oiled propaganda network. One who's influence has only recently started being broken due to the growth and reach of the internet. They never hear about these things and that is 100% the intention.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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good thing we have you for the redpills Bodhi, just don't go super saiyan like Connoisseur and get banned again. :lol:

PS: i know there are occult nuances that love to get overlooked in History.

but still ethno-nationalist movements have one direction. war. but we can debate that some other time, maybe. also note that when Hitler died, and nazi Germany fell, all that progress rendered moot.

PPS: remember, people like the brownshirts for example, were used...they were used and disposed of. just take note before you bring up the negro soldiers or anything.

but you gotta love trying to find the name of such a corp of soldiers on Google, because you'll just find "persecution" and would have to use the exact search terms including punctuation, to find and exact match for a wiki article of the fucking topic, because Google are fucking a bunch of screwballs.

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Now if you knew any of this you wouldnt be sitting here defending Poland from getting Blitzkreiged, and the Bolsheviks within it, genocided themselves.


i am not defending anyone. i'm saying that Nazis have one stratagem to their satisfaction...and that is total control of the region and influence of policy in surrounding nation states (ie, very pushy). world powers might be too gritty and is something unsatisfactory to me, but i can't deny the fact that they have power too...not just Hitler. he wasn't the only guy in town, so to speak.

Edited by akira_akuma (10/07/17 06:13 PM)

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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They say they will only use the law against serious violations like I guess repeatedly reading sites that the authorities prefer you not to see. That in itself is a lie, the same lie they have used over and over in the past.

They told us civil forfeiture would only be used on drug kingpins and major crime figures. They ended up using it on anyone they could even a guy with an 1/8 in his pocket they take his car, his money and other property and even his house if they can. I guess having an 1/8th makes you a drug "kingpin" now?

They said the rico act would only be used against major criminals but now they use it quite often as long as 2 or more people were involved. It could be moonshining or some other low level thing but once they have a tool they use it indiscriminately.

The same thing will happen with this. They will test it first on a real bad guy, an isis who tried to attack people and they add this charge to it. Then after the courts uphold it they start using it more and more until the innocent viewer or researcher gets hit with it. Or they use it selectively against those they don't like


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Stonehenge] * 3
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yeah, it was perfectly reasonable for Hitler to insist on a referendum to add to german territory at poland's expense, because that's how it usually plays out...

Edited by ballsalsa (10/07/17 10:56 PM)

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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Um, that was not what my post was about. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

The territory did belong to germany and was taken away. Why not ask for it back?


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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:facepalm:

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
yeah, it was perfectly reasonable for Hitler to insist on a referendum to add to german territory at poland's expense, because that's how it usually plays out...



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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Um, that was not what my post was about. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

The territory did belong to germany and was taken away. Why not ask for it back?


I edited to fix my reply fail...I meant to respond to your other post praising hobozen.
Why not ask?  I dunno, do you usually ask for things that you know you won't get?  Or should that move be reserved for when you want to occupy the moral high ground during an invasion?

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa]
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out of curiosity, how do you nazi sympathizers feel about Crimea?

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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Did you just gloss over the part where they initiated a mass slaughter against Germans within Poland during a time of peace? Well over 58,000 of them were hunted down like animals and brutalized by mobs, on order of the government.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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I didn't gloss over anything.  Like you said, "within Poland"

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: ballsalsa]
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So if Canada systematically murdered all the Americans "within Canada" that would be a-ok for you?

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