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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: trendal]
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So, what about the people who view jihadi sites? Do you so called free speech advocates think this law should apply to them?


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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Yes, because its too easy for politicians to turn around and conflate these terms with political opponents. As we're witnessing in the UK. Im actually of the belief that this is the intended effect of the move to ban "hate speech" anywhere it gets enacted. I dont believe the politicians are worried about us calling eachother names. Theyre worried about us organizing against them.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Hobozen]
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What do you think you wouldn't be able to talk about?  I'm genuinely curious.

The law is just intended to tighten a loophole in an existing law.  Currently it's illegal to download or share this material, they're effectively adding streaming to it.  So before you couldn't download or share a bomb making video, now you can't stream it.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Guy1980]
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Reply fail...

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: Hobozen]
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this thread proves how disgusting the western world is right now.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
So, what about the people who view jihadi sites? Do you so called free speech advocates think this law should apply to them?



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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
this thread proves how disgusting the western world is right now.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: trendal] * 2
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trendal said:
krypto2000 said:
So what's the point of the law then? I should be able to view whatever the fuck I want if it's not harming anyone.


Isn't the very act of watching a video online, supporting those who made the video? What if those people choose to harm others? Couldn't it then be said that by watching those videos, you are supporting the murder of civilians?


I see where you're going, but I think that's a slippery slope. How is it helping to support them? You could watch it, think negatively of them, and then go share that opinion. Unless you're referring to ad revenue, which I'm not sure if such people would even have, but even then I would say the problem is with the people paying them to display their ads, not the person viewing the content.

I'll even take this argument a step further and say that if you are supporting their views so what? If I go to a group's website and provide outspoken support for someone who is against the current government is that even a bad thing? Maybe the government is bad/these guys are right. I haven't broken any laws. That is a very slippery slope for sure. I mean this effectively gives the government the power to label anyone they want a terrorist and then ban any content produced by them. They're effectively baning opinions here. Imagine if they labeled hippies in the 60's as terrorists for their anti-war anti-establishment movement and not only locked them up (which they did plenty of, as well as used violence and intimidation tactics against them) but made it illegal to even associate with them, read a pamphlet, etc. If you use violence to fight for your opinions okay, that's wrong, but that's already illegal and no one would dispute prosecuting such acts.

I just can't help but think that if someone wants to ban, hide, or otherwise prevent another from viewing information from the opposition that maybe there's actually something to that information that the banning party fears. If the only thing there is violence and acts of terrorism then the public should genuinely view that and only build further dissent against the terrorists.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
koods said:
So, what about the people who view jihadi sites? Do you so called free speech advocates think this law should apply to them?



What about poor young fellers like Zameer Ghumra, only 38, and jailed for 6 years for showing some kid a reality video. :Shockhorror: :shrug:


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: deucedbi9]
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lol someone tried really hard to photoshop all the breitbart insignia from that screenshot.

I wonder why.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 3
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This is a ridiculous law very much 1984 and I can't believe those who defend it. Saying they won't lock up for 15 years if someone only looks at it once or twice makes it ok? OMG! How can anyone be so delusional or fascist to support this?

Hobozen, if you have a chance to learn the business and make a fortune grab it. The uk is fucked but money is money.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: Stonehenge]
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I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
trendal said:
krypto2000 said:
So what's the point of the law then? I should be able to view whatever the fuck I want if it's not harming anyone.


Isn't the very act of watching a video online, supporting those who made the video? What if those people choose to harm others? Couldn't it then be said that by watching those videos, you are supporting the murder of civilians?


I see where you're going, but I think that's a slippery slope. How is it helping to support them? You could watch it, think negatively of them, and then go share that opinion. Unless you're referring to ad revenue, which I'm not sure if such people would even have, but even then I would say the problem is with the people paying them to display their ads, not the person viewing the content.

I'll even take this argument a step further and say that if you are supporting their views so what? If I go to a group's website and provide outspoken support for someone who is against the current government is that even a bad thing? Maybe the government is bad/these guys are right. I haven't broken any laws. That is a very slippery slope for sure. I mean this effectively gives the government the power to label anyone they want a terrorist and then ban any content produced by them. They're effectively baning opinions here. Imagine if they labeled hippies in the 60's as terrorists for their anti-war anti-establishment movement and not only locked them up (which they did plenty of, as well as used violence and intimidation tactics against them) but made it illegal to even associate with them, read a pamphlet, etc. If you use violence to fight for your opinions okay, that's wrong, but that's already illegal and no one would dispute prosecuting such acts.

I just can't help but think that if someone wants to ban, hide, or otherwise prevent another from viewing information from the opposition that maybe there's actually something to that information that the banning party fears. If the only thing there is violence and acts of terrorism then the public should genuinely view that and only build further dissent against the terrorists.


:firstladyofapproval:

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: ballsalsa]
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The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: qman]
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qman said:
How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


It seems they feel good because they are virtue signalling and they hope to garner votes this way.

They are making looking at "alt right" opinions the same as looking at pedo porn. It is a slippery slope which is why I'm against criminalizing looking at things. Sure pedos are disgusting, hurt children and so on. But, looking at or possessing a photo should not mean going to jail for decades. Since the public held still for that, they go to the next logical progression which is having the "wrong" opinions according to pc and idiotic lib politicians being made equally illegal. Where does it stop? Even ball seems to be doubtful about it. I would not be surprised if fal was against it. Only the true loonies are in favor of it.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


Liberals aren't in power in the U.K.. The conservatives are.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


They probably delude themselves into thinking theyre slightly better than the other side, same way you do.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


Liberals aren't in power in the U.K.. The conservatives are.


Not yet, Corbyn's gonna clean up that neoliberal shitshow.


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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


They probably delude themselves into thinking theyre slightly better than the other side, same way you do.


"better than the other side, same way you do"

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the only side I'm on is for freedom of speech regardless of how "dangerous and hateful" some might consider it.

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Re: UK to Imprison people who view "Far-right propaganda" with up to 15 years in jail (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I wonder how the alt right feels about themselves and isis falling under the same 'far right propaganda' umbrella.


How do the liberal policy makers feel about themselves when they do shit like this?


Liberals aren't in power in the U.K.. The conservatives are.


Excuse me, I meant to say Establishment policymakers.

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