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Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...?
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Welll... the parties over... I'm sitting at my computer and there are Japanese guys and girls sleeping all over my house (I've drunk 3 times what they have tonight... I am drunk, but not DRUNK)

Why do you think this is? Is must be a racial tolerance thing (but they have as long - or longer - a history of alcohol use as Europeans)

In Australia, I am a normal guy... (not a '2 can screamer', but certainly not Superman).

Maybe I should organise a 'tag relay' team to go drinking with me...


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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Well it might be related to their diet, they are often pretty scrawny. I didnt know they had a longer history of alcohol drinkin than the white man... white people have drinking longer than any other race in history IMO.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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the chinese discovered wine at about the same time they created thies written language


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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But if you compare the western to the eastern culture you'll see alcohol is alot more established as a part of our culture than it is for the japanese.  I guess they could smoke us out cold on opium before they even feel a buzz :grin:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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filthysock said:
I didnt know they had a longer history of alcohol drinkin than the white man... white people have drinking longer than any other race in history IMO.


You might be right... I know that Japanese have been brewing 'O-Sake' for a LOOONG time, but I don't know how long... Alcohol has a very important role in ancient and modern Japanese culture (very uptight people... when you're pissed, all the 'sosial rules' are suspended... great safety valve)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I worked for a japanese company for a while, good people to work for especialy given the traditions for drunks... Every one was shocked at a company party when I said some rude things to our boss... the next day it wasnt mentioned...


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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Yeah my guess is body mass.  The average American is fat, the average Japanese is not.  They are short and thin.  Also they eat better than us, rice, more veggies, not to mention TONS of fish, etc.  I think that the greasy food we eat helps us soak up alcohol better.  Think about it, if you were going to enter a drinkin contest, which would you rather have in your stomach, a 1/2lb cheeseburger and french fries or sushi?

I don't think it has to do with racial tolerance or anything, they have been drinking saki for a long time.  It is funny tho, I have drank with japanese ppl before, and they always get real fucked up real quick and it makes me feel like a lush cause my tolerance is higher and I dont even drink that often.  Japanese ppl are real fun drunks too, they get all loud and obnoxious and silly, quite different than when they are sober :lol:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: oggleman]
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because they believe its appropriate behavior when your drunk....it is if you look at how lively their parties are.... for the hour they last prior to everyone passing out


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I agree prisoner...

You don't rally know a Japanese unless you marry one or get drunk with one (I suggest getting pissed with one...  it requires less long-term commitment :wink: )


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I agree they have a personality change, when sober they are always so polite and quiet and reserved.  Its fun to watch that all get chucked out the window when alcohol is involved :wink:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: oggleman]
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I have often seen that people that are more reserved and shy when sober are usually the ones who get more loud and obnoxious when drunk. It seems like they are so happy to break out of their shell that they explode when they come out. Actually I'm pretty sure thats what happens... but japanese take pleasure and gratitude in the smallest things, really cool people.
Imagine tripping with a japanese person, just imagine their awe and accent combined together, lol!


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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I wanna go to japan.

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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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The trouble is (especially here in the countryside) that japanese are so super-conservative that I am very careful about mentioning tripping or any such thing (even though it was legal until 18 mths ago).

I have smoked with Japanese in Australia, but never here.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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For some reason I cant imagine tripping being a familiar term with the japanese. I've got the impression that they take work and school very seriously but they are also generally curious and open minded about things, especially when you are one on one with them. They are very polite and will most probably listen you out if you get on the shrooming topic some japanese.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I have let it be known (gently) amongst my adult students that in Australia, Pot isn't a huge deal... no responses, though (and a lot of these folks are my friends)... they just have never been exposed to it (in the average Japanese's mind, Pot = Drugs = Heroin = etc They don't question authority and the government in the way we do)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I think people of Asian or American Indian ancestry have lower amounts of an enzyme that is involved in ethanol metabolism. In the liver, ethanol is oxidized to form acetaldehyde, which gives you a hangover. A second oxidation step converts acetaldehyde into acetic acid.

This process takes place while you are drinking. If it didn't, your body would acummulate alcohol at a much faster rate. This is why some people with liver problems get drunk very easily.

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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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On a sort of related topic, while on holiday in Thailand last year I witnessed a pair of Koreans drink 4 bottles of rough Thai whiskey. They seemed OK!  :evil:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Jackal]
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Yeah well but they were Koreans :tongue:!


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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Personally I can't tell the difference, but I'm sure there is one!  :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Jackal]
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Jackal said:
Personally I can't tell the difference, but I'm sure there is one!  :shiftyeyes:


A lot of people I met, upon learning my wife is Japanese, would say...  "That's cool...  I met a Chinese girl once..."

To which I would reply, "You're American aren't you?  Hey!  That's cool...  I met a Russian once..."


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Yossarian]
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Yossarian said:
    I think people of Asian or American Indian ancestry have lower amounts of an enzyme that is involved in ethanol metabolism.  In the liver, ethanol is oxidized to form acetaldehyde, which gives you a hangover.  A second oxidation step converts acetaldehyde into acetic acid.

    This process takes place while you are drinking. If it didn't, your body would acummulate alcohol at a much faster rate.  This is why some people with liver problems get drunk very easily.

You are correct.  Many persons of asian decent are deficient in the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme, resulting in a build up of the toxic acetaldehyde which is responsible for the flushing of their face and feeling sick sooner than those of us who can break that shit down with a quickness. :beer:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: geokills]
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hey you, get off the shroomery and start driving


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Yossarian]
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Yep, that's how it goes. Acetaldehyde is converted to acetic acid by the enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase. Some people have an abnormal gene for this enzyme, so they metabolize acetaldehyde more slowly. This means that they accumulate acetaldehyde if they drink much alcohol, so they get a sort of hangover-like feeling(poisoning) quite quickly. This gene is rare in western people, but about half of the people in China and Japan have it.

edit: damn, geo beat me to it :wink:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: geokills]
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Maybe that's why when I get drunk, the Indian comes out in me. :beer: :blush: :beer:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: ummikko]
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ummikko said:
Yep, that's how it goes. Acetaldehyde is converted to acetic acid by the enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase. Some people have an abnormal gene for this enzyme, so they metabolize acetaldehyde more slowly. This means that they accumulate acetaldehyde if they drink much alcohol, so they get a sort of hangover-like feeling(poisoning) quite quickly. This gene is rare in western people, but about half of the people in China and Japan have it.


You seem to know a lot about this... Just curious, do you think my children (both girls) will be affected? (My wife can't drink at all... she has a stronger case than most Japanese)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I don't know enough about genetics to give you advice on this...sorry. The gene that is responsible for the enzyme is well known though, so I think it could be tested.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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Kind of off-topic but do you get a hold of pot, shrooms and the like in Japan?


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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filthysock said:
Kind of off-topic but do you get a hold of pot, shrooms and the like in Japan?


With great difficulty...  the only pot I've seen in 18 months is about 1/4 gram my mate foung in Kyoto and gave to me...  Shrooms grow here in the Summer (P.Argentipes).

I drink lots of alcohol whenever we have a party and I have been making a nuisance of myself at various ethnobotanical websites...

(Got some MJ seeds germinating, now, though... :wink: )


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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Yeah weed would grow really good there I presume.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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hoping...  very humid, mild temp range in late spring summer...  Gonna plant 'em on the south side of one of the mountains round here (there are shitloads of mountains and Japanese NEVER go off the 'official' path :wink: )


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: ummikko]
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I don't know enough about genetics to give you advice on this...sorry. The gene that is responsible for the enzyme is well known though, so I think it could be tested.


You guys rock, I've been wondering what alcohol is converted into forever, don't they give serious alchoholic a that enzyeme or some other type of potentiater that makes them real sensitive to alchohol so they get sick after only one or two beers?


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Flux]
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Antibuse... that's pretty much what it does.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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http://chemcases.com/alcohol/alc-06.htm
This may affect how they handle and act while drunk.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sir tripsalot]
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This explains the 'Tomato Head Syndrome'...

A similar situation is found in the second step of ethanol metabolism, which is catalyzed by acetaldehyde dehydrogenase. This enzyme converts acetaldehyde to acetic acid, which is a normal metabolite in humans and hence is non toxic. The past use of Antabuse as a possible deterrent to drinking was based on the ability of Antabuse to inhibit the action of acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, thus slow down or stop the destruction of acetaldehyde. If one drank after taking Antabuse, the person got very ill. It turns out that certain individuals, again common in Asians, have a defective aldehyde dehydrogenase gene, ALDH2, in that it doesn?t metabolize acetaldehyde as rapidly as normal. Thus, a person who drinks too much builds up acetaldehyde in their system and feels bad or is sick. This manifests in Asians with the defected ALDH gene as a facial flush as they drink.

My wife is totally unable to drink alcohol... the smallest amount (3 sips of really nice chanpagne on our wedding night) made her VERY ill)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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On a similar vein David Whitmore a chemical engineer and assistant professor at the University of Georgia developed a expermental drug that reversed the effects of alcohol consumption. He combined three natural enzymes that metabolized alcohol into acetic acid . This was reported in the magazine Popular Science , page 22, in March of 1992 but since that time I have never seen any more reports of this development .


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: 284_27]
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acetic acid, just so you know, is vinnegar.
we can handle it in low doses, thats why pickled eggs are bar food. your body is already managing he vinnigar in those, so the alcohol metabolizes slower,
but then, its not the best buzz to be riding on the same alcohol express for to far down the track. reddening of he face, profuse sweating, see coprine poisoning. (ex, eating coprinus artimentarius mushrooms and drinking)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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Haven't drank with any japanese people before, but I smoke up with them a couple times a month. It's AWESOME. :laugh:


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: browndustin]
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Americanized japanese or...?


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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yeah my dad take antibuse. He cant eat stuff with viniger or anything. Certain shaving stuff that has alcahol in it will burn the fuck out of his face. Has to be really carefull.


But pot can be found in field in certain parts of japan. You can go pick it and stuff. There is a head culture there but it would be hard to find. www.overgrow.com had a forum for other countried and there are some people from japan in there. Talk to them and you might have some more luck sakura.

Ever come across any LSD there? that would be wild to trip on LSD in tokyo!


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Vulture]
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hi im korean

hahah :P


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: shr00m]
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Oh yeah?!  I dont believe you!  Do you look like this when you're drunk :mad2:... no sorry, thats a sumo wrestler, ok sorry my bad *walks out of thread with hands in air giving up*


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: filthysock]
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hahaha. about asians consuming alcohol. its true. why? because i like cinnamon flavored goldfish graham snacks and beer. i hate hard liquor straight. but with mixxed. its a-ok.

anyways nice fucking explanations. 8)


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: shr00m]
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I've always wondered about this. I'm half Japanese, but I handle my alcohol pretty well. My cousin (also half) and my brother say they get a flushed face when drinking.

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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: sakura]
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I have always wanted to go to Japan, but never been. I WAS in China for 48 days in 1989. (on business actually) I found weed growing EVERYWHERE in Lanzhou! Even ALL AROUND the police station and military training grounds!!! I even scored Owsley salmon colored, pill-form LSD there.
Been wanting to go back ever since, but it is SO expensive.

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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: JiggleThaHandle]
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I think getting LSD there NOW would be damn near an impossibility.


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: oggleman]
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The average American is fat, the average Japanese is not.



All the fat Americans people keep talking about must be out in hiding somewhere...anywhere I go, be it school, the mall or what have you, I see a lot of fat people.. but thin or 'regular' sized people outnumber them greatly..

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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: ]
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easy answer, they ARE hiding. or rather they arent going out, they are at home watching fox and TNN stuffing their faces with chips


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Re: Why can't Japanese people handle alcohol...? [Re: Mitchnast]
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I'm going to Japan this August. I can't wait to drink with some Japanese people. I hear that they really cut loose when they are drinking. I guess it's part of their culture. During normal daytime hours, everyone is EXTREMELY polite. In the evening, everyone goes out drinking, and basically can say and do whatever the hell they want, and nothing is held against them. Sounds like fun. I can't wait.


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