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..Fall to your training
The label for the figural theme, fall to your training, was derived from Ethan’s
comment that during hand-to-hand combat “you ain’t rising to no occasion. You are
going to fall to the level of your training.” This concept expresses the idea that the training, physical, and mental capabilities a service member possesses at the moment of
hand-to-hand combat is the only thing the service member can use to resolve the
situation. The results of hand-to-hand combat are usually a direct reflection of a service
member’s level of preparation prior to the actual event. Fall to your training embraces
the mentality and physicality of hand-to-hand combat while also representing the body
theme emphasized in existential philosophy. This major figural theme consisted of the
following sub-themes: training takes over, targeted aggression, fear, and adrenaline.

Training takes over.
Participants’ training in hand-to-hand combat was discussed
at length during their interviews and one aspect in particular emerged as a common
component of their in-the-moment experience: their training took over. That is, once
these service members were physically engaged in hand-to-hand combat they “really
believe that training instinctively took over” (Paul). A service member’s fighting skills
emerge with little or no reflection or analysis – they simply kick in automatically to meet
the demands of the situation. As Homer stated, his actions were “more of a reaction than
having to sit there and think about what was going on.” Participants also commented that
when they responded to an opponent during an encounter “you don’t think about it”
(Alex). Previous training experience just “comes out” (Lucas). As Oscar stated, “
didn’t plan it. Just the guy started to move; I had a hold of his arm and his neck. I turned
my hip to, into him, and threw him. And it just came reflexively."

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Shroomism said:

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say this is the video that triggered OP

Here we see, two highly intelligent, well-researched professionals discussing the long term cons of veganism. Providing very thorough information.
As well as focusing heavily on the ways to do it healthily.. which MOST VEGANS DONT DO

Make whatever arguments you want for veganism, that's your personal choice.
But the second you go around proselytizing your way of life as superior to others that's where you can fuck right off.
Name ONE traditional society in the history of humans that was completely vegan/vegetarian. ONE.

Tell us all about how hunting wild animals, is more harmful to the environment then your monoculture kale and soybeans that rapes the planet.

Most vegans are B12 deficient... a study found over 86% of vegans are B12 deficient compared to 5% of meat eaters
That's just for starters. Vegans/Vegetarians also very often suffer from: EPA/DHA deficiencies, zinc, iron, calcium, Vitamins A&D, which you pretty much HAVE to supplement with.
EPA and DHA you won't even get enough from any vegan sources.

The only thing a vegan diet is better for is feelings of moral superiority. There is no health benefits over a healthy omnivorous diet.

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Enlil said:

This is stupid.  Until you've been hit with a solid fist to the face, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  That shit can disorient you so badly that the fight is over with you just taking whatever the other dude is giving.

These people arguing about stamina from martial arts training are dreaming.  What street fight last long enough for that to even matter?  It really isn't like in the movies.

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Enlil said:

This is stupid.  Until you've been hit with a solid fist to the face, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  That shit can disorient you so badly that the fight is over with you just taking whatever the other dude is giving.

These people arguing about stamina from martial arts training are dreaming.  What street fight last long enough for that to even matter?  It really isn't like in the movies.

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triphead9428 said:

I'll stop "proselytizing," when your "way of life," stops affecting other creatures lives.

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Vajra said:

Joe Rogan hypocrisy, disinformation and dumb excuses to kill animals are pissing off more and more people so he needs to be exposed. He has psychopathic traits such as lack of conscience and compassion, violent choice of sports such as fighting and killing animals – legal ways to abuse someone without being afraid getting jailed. Ability to charm, be persuasive and lie often helps psychos become powerful and succesful. He seems to have lot of narcissism, air of superiority and disregard for everyone who doesn‘t agree with him.
Joe was accused of stealing ideas and he gained popularity by copying ideas from much smarter than him people such as Terence Mckenna, it‘s sad that such dumbass uses well thought out psychedelic philosophy to try and make himself look cool and intelligent.
He also just like his wacko friend Alex Jones promotes preudoscience, idiotic beliefs such as autism and ADHD being made up diseases (of course doctors with medical degrees are wrong unlike Joe with IQ level of caveman and no science degree) and is accused of contradictions what tells that Rogan is not trying to tell truth but merely tries to appeal to wider audience for profit. Sadly there are a lot of people that buy this BS because they lack critical thinking, knowledge and are dominated by emotions, instincts rather than reason what makes them easily manipulatable.
Meat industry and animal killing is most evil thing currently on the planet which needs to be abolished like were other barbaric forms of violence if human civilization wants to have good name because it is not only very wrong morally but also causes massive environmental damage. Billions of farm animals are everyday tortured since birth and slaughtered just for tasty meal. There is so much gore in slaughterhouses that workers don‘t last long and get PTSD, while mentally ill get opportunity to beat helpless animals.  Meat industry is major cause of deforestation because it takes enormous amounts of resources such as land, grains, soy and fresh water to feed animals, as well other resources until animal is fully grown and meat is ready to be served on plates.
There is more than enough food in the world to feed the entire human population. But there is more than 840 million people still going hungry just because stupid meat diet is costing so much resources. It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of edible animal flesh and that is just one example of plant food being wasted. So think how many starving people, animals and how much environment could be saved if people transitioned to more efficient plant based diet. Ideally humans should have ecological permaculture gardens and grow own foods that would be much better than what you get from big farm industries. But self-righteous asshole Joe keeps mocking vegans and animals rights activists, and says that destructive habbits are Ok.
There is a lot of misinformation about man needing meat to survive and plant based diet lacking nutrients. I can assure you that scientifically it‘s possible to prove you can get all nutrients without slaughtering sentient animals, just name nutrient that is lacking in plants. B12 vitamin deficiency is detected not only in vegans but as well in meat eaters because B12 is produced by bacteria and NOT animals. BTW farm animals do get B12 injections too. Our ancestors actually would drink and eat not sterilized plants, as well they practised fermentation of food which would enrich food with vitamins B12 and K.
Plants are better sources of Omega 3, in fact adequate animal sources of this fatty acid are only some types of fish which also contain heavy metals.  Linseeds on other hand contain even 6 times more Omega 3, it takes only teaspoon per day of grinded seeds for an adult to get norm.
There are many hypothesies what made human brains bigger and meat diet is not most valid, scientists actually think social brain hypothesis and shift to fruit diet from leaves is better explanations.


It‘s not rich protein foods that made human brains so big but more likelly socialization. As well there was actually study saying that starch rich diet was also important reason for brains getting bigger and it makes sense because it is very hungry for glucose.
You can get all protein needed from plants and it can be complete. Protein importance is overrated and other nutrients are ignored. 10% of daily calories from protein is enough, actually more than 35% protein in food is bad. Many plant foods contain more than enought protein. Although there is concern that some plants contain incomplete protein lacking aminoacids cysteine and methionine that body can‘t synthesize. But there is complete protein in nuts, beans and in sunflowers seeds.
I‘m not saying that vegan diet can‘t be unhealthy and vegans need to monitor nutrition, as well lifestyle but meat eaters do also get nutrient deficiency.
Science is demonstrated that regularly eating diet high in saturated fats is damaging to your heart, it may also be devastating to the brain. High saturated fat and cholesterol diet also causes plaque buildup which clogs arteries and this in turn increases risk heart attack, stroke and death. Animal based lowcarb diet was associated with higher risk of all-cause mortality. Human are not carnivores since they have long intestinal tract, big canines and can‘t produce own vitamin C. Atherosclerosis develops only in herbivores.
Animal meat and expecially pork contains parasites such as roundworms and tapeworms, meat and fat accumulates a lot of toxins such as dioxin.
Vegans have lower risk of heart disease, diabetes, cancer and live longer. Joe says that‘s vegans are stupid but science tells that they are more intelligent and empathetic: http://www.lifehack.org/357486/science-says-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-and-empathetic.
Actually our ancestors were nearly all vegetarians who if ate little meat most of it consisted small critters, insects, larvae. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/
Also hunting is not the best way to get food. Hunting in the wild isn‘t that simple and would have been dangerous, often there would be no catch so humans would still need different food. And it would make sense to eat what you can find on spot without big risk.
I see very little meat eaters putting in their mouth fresh larvae and bugs what would make a lot better food ethically, economically and environmentally than eating fried bacon. If you or your friends are stubborn on eating meat at least I ask you, please at least choose animals that can‘t experience concious pain such as clams, shrimps and insects.
Vegan gains on youtube is doing really great work and provides links to scientific papers that hopefully should convince you to stop eating meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ChzhgFaro
Now can you imagine how Joe Rogan is retarded if he says „That plants lives matter too“. Plants do not have single neuron. Animals on other hand such as mammals that are farmed and hunted have consciousness, personalities, feel pain, experience emotions such as joy and grief, cows make friends and get stressed when lose them. So Joe uses New Age bullshit belief that there is metaphysical soul that plants posses to make vegans look no better than animal abusers.
Of course wild animals live in much better conditions than farm animals but „peaceful“ deer hunting is still no better than first degree human murder. Rogan had excuse that he hunted to feed his family but hunting today is mostly hobby of rich men. Joe is rich multi-millionaire and his excuse to hunt to feed family is just ridiculously stupid. Aubrey Marcus is another very rich psycho who enjoys hunting and promoting inspirational BS with Joe.
Patrick Babouman said right about Joe Rogan that he is coward for abusing animals. Vegan strongman actually challenged him to the fight. Althaught cowardly bitch didn‘t accept to fight vegan because he could just kick Joe sorry ass.
So do not support serial killer Joe Rogan who is trying to pose as "authoritative expert" using retarded arguments that work only for sheeple community without proper scientific education. We need not destructive psychopath leaders but more wise and compassionate teachers. Do own research.

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triphead9428 said:

I'll stop "proselytizing," when your "way of life," stops affecting other creatures lives.

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SoloTrip said:

It's still more efficient to eat the plants directly than to feed them to livestock. That means it would require less fossil fuels, water, and less little mice, frogs, insects, and sea creatures would be killed in the production.
I mostly wish I could meet a vegetarian girlfriend atm but all the ladies I meet like to lick the juice off the bone.

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