koods said:

The food stamp program costs $70 billion a year. The home mortgage interest deduction costs $80 billion. Preferential tax rates for long term capital gain income vs. earned income costs the federal government $130 billion a year.

If we are truly concerned about tax payer funded entitlements handing out money, why do people immediately jump on the people who literally have the least, while ignoring the gratuitous entitlements that go to the wealthiest and least needy. Yet, without fail the right wingers bash the poor for needing help paying for food, while they are getting help paying for their mortgage and reducing the cost of their investments.

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BANANA.MAN said:

Nobody is against helping the poor.

Try to understand that first of all, conservatives generally believe in being charitable rather than forced redistributing of wealth by the government which is theft.

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very often I am in line at the grocery store and I see a mother with 2+ kids using food stamps...

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The 'food stamps' I get are on a card and no one(except the cashier)
knows whether I'm using a SNAP card or a debit card.

Btw, we (2 of us) get over $300. a month for food, most of my 1250./month rent paid,
and free health care/dental/prescriptions with zero copay.
My 30 day booze rehab was free, so was my 12 week treatment that cured my Hep C.
The 8 weeks of PT I'm going through right now for messed up shoulders and knees is free, too.

Keep in mind I've worked for over 30 years, payed my taxes, and now that I can't work,
I have no problem getting something from the system I've contributed to for over half my life.

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Cyrus19 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Nobody is against helping the poor.

Try to understand that first of all, conservatives generally believe in being charitable rather than forced redistributing of wealth by the government which is theft.

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Modern nation states are built on taxation it isn't theft since you get something out of it. Unless you live in the woods and don't use any modern infrastructure.

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Crazy_Horse said:

I am moving to Canada and live like a king.

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BANANA.MAN said:

Cyrus19 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Nobody is against helping the poor.

Try to understand that first of all, conservatives generally believe in being charitable rather than forced redistributing of wealth by the government which is theft.

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Modern nation states are built on taxation it isn't theft since you get something out of it. Unless you live in the woods and don't use any modern infrastructure.

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the people who arent on welfare arent getting anything out of it. they are losing money.

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CookieCrumbs said:

Jobs are not purely fiscal. If you could would you work an abusive job where you aren't appreciated and you are worked to your absolute physical and mental limit?


Alot of people say welfare is better because they're stuck in the shitholes of the country that have limited job opportunity and the jobs available are more than a little shitty and there's a decent chance you'll be robbed while working there.

My gf has been on disability. Not because she can't work any job but because it's impossible for her to work any of the jobs available in the area. There's not much. She could do computer work but there's not much and since there's not much they definitely won't take someone that lacks experience and college education.


It's not better to be on welfare. It is infinitely easier for people in shitty situations though. When you're stuck down in the muck at the bottom of the barrel it can be goddamn hard to pull yourself out. Especially when no one wants to give you a hand. We throw pills at mental problems, we throw money at environmental problems, we throw people into boxes. All in some hope that something good will come of it.

Reality is most people on welfare and food stamps don't necessarily need work, many of them do work, they need better work that works with them as an individual.



All of the programs, private and public, are severely strained right now by the elderly population. Many of whom lost their savings and/or their homes in the recession and are swimming in pools of debt.

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psi said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Cyrus19 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Nobody is against helping the poor.

Try to understand that first of all, conservatives generally believe in being charitable rather than forced redistributing of wealth by the government which is theft.

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Modern nation states are built on taxation it isn't theft since you get something out of it. Unless you live in the woods and don't use any modern infrastructure.

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the people who arent on welfare arent getting anything out of it. they are losing money.

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Basically the benefit for everyone else is that poor people are less likely to start a peasant revolt or kill you for your wallet in a country where they receive at least some pittance to get by.

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BANANA.MAN said:

you are acting like the rich are keeping the poor people poor.

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i havent seen any malnourished children in north america, in fact ive seen evidence that shows that poor people are more likely to be over weight.

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BANANA.MAN said:

Really? I don't think I said anything like that.

not saying you did but then why would they need to have an uprising if you agree that they arent being held down and could get out of their situation by making good choices?your scenario just doesnt add up unless the poor have no choice in the matter.

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BANANA.MAN said:

Ok, but a welfare system exists here.

lol so you think if we got rid of welfare there would be malnourished children inn the USA?

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thats the reason we are healthy and well fed? not because of opportunities?

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CookieCrumbs said:

Overweight and starving to death.
Cheap food is often high calorie food. Empty calories often enough. Overweight does not equate to well food. In our convoluted post industrial society it can often mean the opposite.

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