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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Right, and what about the sentence in that source immediately after your quoted text?

"Another study, for the period 2000-2007, found that a 1% increase in the share of migrants in the UK’s working-age population lowers the average wage by 0.3% (Reed and Latorre 2009)."

There is also a whole paragraph in the same link that states -

"The effects of immigration on workers within specific wage ranges or in specific occupations are more significant. The greatest wage effects are found for low-waged workers even though those effects can be considered relatively small. Dustmann et al (2013) find that each 1% increase in the share of migrants in the UK-born working age population leads to a 0.6% decline in the wages of the 5% lowest paid workers and to an increase in the wages of higher paid workers. Another study focusing on wage effects at the occupational level during 1992 and 2006, found that, in the unskilled and semi-skilled service sector, a 1% rise in the share of migrants reduced average wages in that occupation by nearly 0.5% (Nickell and Salaheen 2008). They also find the same effect in an updated paper, in which they consider the period from 1992 and 2014, however in this extended period the average wage reduction for the unskilled and semi-skilled service sector is just under 0.2% (Nickell and Salaheen 2015)."


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85] * 2
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Yup, which means that qman's statement is wholly unsupported.  We have two studies that say wages go up.  One that says they go down.  None of them are statistically significant.

Meaning qman just made that shit up.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Right, and what about the sentence in that source immediately after your quoted text?

"Another study, for the period 2000-2007, found that a 1% increase in the share of migrants in the UK’s working-age population lowers the average wage by 0.3% (Reed and Latorre 2009)."


So IF the second study were correct, and if I were making $7.52/hr, what would my wage be with immigration?

As Enlil said, that amount is statistically insignificant anyway.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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About 7.49£, assuming an increase of 1% :shrug:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Closer to $7.50, which is so small it's likely well within the study's margin of error.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I'm sure the increase in working age migrants is higher than 1% though? What about when it hits 10 or 20%?


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Falcon, you have yet to address the VA 2ND amendment fiasco. You know, even after u asked for proof and I provided it but you continued to act like a child and ignore it.  I'm waiting on you , Mr. Fake believe man!


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
I'm sure the increase in working age migrants is higher than 1% though? What about when it hits 10 or 20%?


That's misstating the study.  It's talking about a 1% increase in the share, meaning that if immigrants are now 3% of the workforce, it would have to go to 4%.

What makes you think the workforce would ever be 20% immigrants?  That's ridiculous.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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keyser_soze said:
Falcon, you have yet to address the VA 2ND amendment fiasco. You know, even after u asked for proof and I provided it but you continued to act like a child and ignore it.  I'm waiting on you , Mr. Fake believe man!


Wrong again.  I addressed it here.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
keyser_soze said:
Falcon, you have yet to address the VA 2ND amendment fiasco. You know, even after u asked for proof and I provided it but you continued to act like a child and ignore it.  I'm waiting on you , Mr. Fake believe man!


Wrong again.  I addressed it here.


Ahh i see...so there is no problem now that it was fixed...but there was a problem before, correct?

You see how gov will overstep bounds but you won't publicly agree because it would be detrimental to your argument. LOL


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Bubbles85 said:
I'm sure the increase in working age migrants is higher than 1% though? What about when it hits 10 or 20%?


That's misstating the study.  It's talking about a 1% increase in the share, meaning that if immigrants are now 3% of the workforce, it would have to go to 4%.

What makes you think the workforce would ever be 20% immigrants?  That's ridiculous.


Whats so rediculous about it? Foreign nationals all ready make up well over 10% of the work force in Britain :shrug:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85]
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Source?


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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I found this:

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/


Looks to be about right, on face value. Not sure how they arrived at that number though.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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International immigration and the labour market, UK: 2016

"Main points

In 2016, 11% (3.4 million +/- 0.2 million) of the UK labour market (30.3 million +/- 0.3 million) were non-UK nationals; EU nationals contributed 7% (2.2 million +/- 0.1 million) and non-EU nationals 4% (1.2 million +/- 0.1 million)."


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Excellent.  Thank you.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: keyser_soze]
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keyser_soze said:
Ahh i see...so there is no problem now that it was fixed...but there was a problem before, correct?


Incorrect.  There was no violation of the constitution before, and there is none now either.

I realize YOU believe the mentally ill have a right to own guns, which they currently can, but it's not a constitutional right.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Excellent.  Thank you.


So how does the 11% increase in the share of migrant workers, correlate to the 0.3% decrease in wages at 1%?

mod edit: sorry, fucked up and hit wrong button


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
"low wages are the result of greed"

That's true, that's why the elite have been in favor of both illegal/legal immigration and globalization.


As Enlil noted, you haven't presented any evidence that legal immigration lowers wages, and there are plenty of stronger arguments for why we have low wages.  I don't think I've seen a single argument from you in the past year outside some variation of "I want dark skinned people out of America, and I'll say ANYTHING to justify my position".


Why didn't you address my post in the think tank about immigration and wages?

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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Why didn't you address my post in the think tank about immigration and wages?


Which post are you referring to?  :shrug:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
Enlil said:
Excellent.  Thank you.


So how does the 11% increase in the share of migrant workers, correlate to the 0.3% decrease in wages at 1%?





Wait, I thought you said 11% total.  How did it become an 11% increase?  And what about that .44% wage increase per 1% increase in immigration?


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