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Multiculturalism
    #4234349 - 05/29/05 09:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think multiculturism, or the introduction of many races and cultures, into the U.S., Europe, Canada and other countries is a good idea? Does it help diversify the nation and increase tolerance, or does it only increase crime and create racial tensions?

If you support multiculturalism, do you believe it should be encouraged by using policies to help expedite the process?

If you are against multiculturalism, do you believe steps should be taken to stop it or even expel multicultural aspects from these nations?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
    #4234351 - 05/29/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Leave the government out of it. Nuff said.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #4234392 - 05/29/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So the government should be completely neutral on multiculturalism?

I can see you're not a liberal.

Personally, I don't necessarily believe multiculturalism is a good thing, and it does lead to many unnecessary problems, but the government shouldn't resist the people. The best way for the government to do this is obviously to remain neutral and let the people argue and believe as they will.

But Paradigm, what if it was the will of the people that immigration should be halted? Shouldn't the proud people of Canada be able to vote and tell their government that they don't want any more mass influxes of immigrants into their country? If the government remained completely neutral, it could actually go against the people's wishes, and wouldn't this be a violation of the Canadians rights to choose issues significant to their country?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
    #4234401 - 05/29/05 09:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I reject multiculturalism for the most part. I think new immigrants should assimilate more, and I dont agree that multiculturalism is a valid end unto itself. At school they shove multiculturalism down my throat as though having an immigrant sit behind me in class is going to improve my education somehow. Thats a lie, and the only reason they push multiculturalism is they have guilt about being white Americans, and somehow multiculturalism makes up for the sins of the white man.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
    #4234525 - 05/29/05 10:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If people do not want to assimilate into the culture where they are immigrating to, then they should not go there.

It seems that people often want to immigrate to a better country and then try to make that country adapt to their old culture. This obviously brings an undeserved burden to the new, better country.

Of course there is plenty of room to keep aspects of cultures but you need to at least learn the language, respect the customs, and just generally integrate into society. They owe at least that much to their new countries.

Government sponsored multiculturalism is simply institutionalized racism.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Catalysis]
    #4234713 - 05/29/05 11:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If people do not want to assimilate into the culture where they are immigrating to, then they should not go there.

As long as they can speak the language and abide by the law of the land I have no problem with immigrants. When a city is forced to use two languages due to immigrants I see that as a problem.

Even where I am in FL there is a shit ton of spanish spoken. I have no problem and actually enjoy the change so long as I can always get what I need by speaking English.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
    #4235816 - 05/30/05 06:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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the only reason they push multiculturalism is they have guilt about being white Americans, and somehow multiculturalism makes up for the sins of the white man.





:lol:

I thought being conservative was supposed to be about rational thinking and logic. I had no idea it had anything to do with thinking you can read other peoples minds. Tell me, what data do you have to back up this ridiculously paranoid statement?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #4235913 - 05/30/05 08:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Leave the government out of it. Nuff said.




what about immigration laws?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
    #4235993 - 05/30/05 10:24 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think that multiculturalism is a good thing, but I don't think the government should have to make any real regulations or laws to make it work.

Segregation only helps to breed distrust, hate, and racism.

Having many cultures living together creates a variety like no other, and over time helps people to understand other cultures. Yes there will be problems, but I think in the end they will work themselves out. Most of the problems probably come from first and second-generation immigrants, who have not had time to adapt themselves to the cultures around them. However when their children go to school with children from other cultures, and spend so much time with children from other cultures, they are able to gain the respect and understanding needed to live in a multicultural society. Within a few generations, things tend to work themselves out (without government intervention).


If you want an example of multiculturalism at work, just take a look at Toronto, Canada. It's been voted the most multicultural city in the world, and certainly seems that way. Yet it doesn't have a lot of the racial tension or problems that I have seen in many other cities.

"Multicultural melting pot" is the phrase our government likes to use.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: BanJankri]
    #4235999 - 05/30/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Multiculturalism does not equal unfettered immigration.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4375573 - 07/06/05 01:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No, but you can hardly say canada has that either. Canada is certainly pro-multiculturalism, and that is certainly reflective of its policy.

Its immigration process, rather, refelcts that position rather than the other way around. We don't screen by race.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
    #4375950 - 07/06/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I support multiculturalism.

I've heard the argument that the "only reason" anyone supports multiculturalism is out of "white guilt", and that's just as stupid an oversimplification as saying that the only reason anyone would be against multiculturalism is because they hate other cultures.

I've spent a good deal of time living in Toronto, which is widely regarded as a place where multiculturalism is a success. Not to say that racial tension is nonexistant, but the situation certainly doesn't seem to match much of what I hear about in the US.

I'm not sure that forcing people to abandon their culture if they want to move to Canada or the US is a good idea. One of the reasons I enjoyed living in Toronto was because there was such a huge range of cultural diversity. You can find foods from all over the world, and hey, if you want to play computer games at an internet cafe for really cheap, find one of the hole-in-the-wall Korean owned ones. Sure the computers are running the Korean version of Windows, but you can generally find what you need.

I dont understand why some people get so pissed off at the idea that they might have to deal with someone whose english isnt perfect. Its a big world, english isnt the only language on the planet, and it would be pretty boring if it were. Some people get so angry about these things, as though they have the right to only have to hear their own language.

I dont know how many people actually do things like this, but I remember walking down the street with someone I know, and when he heard a couple of people talking in some asian language, he started whining about how they shouldnt even be here if they arent going to bother to learn english, as though he was being violated by not being allowed to eavesdrop.

Im also not sure that I understand why some people believe multiculturalism is being "forced down their throats". Have they been forced to learn another language? Forced to attend theater put on by other cultures? What exactly is being forced upon who?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
    #4376140 - 07/06/05 04:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

At school they shove multiculturalism down my throat as though having an immigrant sit behind me in class is going to improve my education somehow.

How do they shove it down your throat? I'm not sure what the hell that's even supposed to mean?

Does having to sit near immgrants count as having multiculturalism shoved down your throat?

Are you being forced to do anything in particular, or does just occasionally having to hear about other cultures somehow make you feel violated?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
    #4376371 - 07/06/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism.

http://www.grecoreport.com/multiculturalism_and_marxism.htm



Multiculturalism and Marxism -- Part I

by Professor Frank Ellis



[Joe McCarthy may have been a drunk and everything else. He used a shotgun rather than a rifle. But what's been coming out of the Soviet Union since the fall of the Iron Curtain supports much of what he claimed back in the 1950's about communist activity in the United States.

Insight magazine, 23 September 2002.]



No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism. Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity. Those who support multiculturalism either do not know this, or, what is more likely, realize that if they are to transform Western society into strictly regulated, racial-feminist bureaucracies they must first undermine these societies.



This transformation is as radical and revolutionary as the project to establish Communism in the Soviet Union was. Just as every aspect of life had to be brought under political control in order for the commissars to impose their vision of society, the multiculturalists hope to control and dominate every aspect of our lives. Unlike the hard tyranny of the Soviets, theirs is a softer, gentler tyranny but one with which they hope to bind us as tightly as a prisoner in the gulag. Today's "political correctness" is the direct descendant of Communist terror and brainwashing.



Unlike the obviously alien implantation that was Communism, what makes multiculturalism particularly insidious and difficult to combat is that it usurps the moral and intellectual infrastructure of the West. Although it claims to champion the deepest held beliefs of the West, it is in fact a perversion and systematic undermining of the very idea of the West.



What we call "political correctness" actually dates back to the Soviet Union of the 1920s (politicbeskaya pravil 'nost' in Russian), and was the extension of political control in education, psychiatry, ethics, and behavior. It was an essential component of the attempt to make sure that all aspects of life were consistent with ideological orthodoxy which is the distinctive feature of all totalitarianism. In the post-Stalin period, political correctness even meant that dissent was seen as a symptom of mental illness, for which the only treatment was incarceration.



As Mao Tse-Tung, The Great Helmsman , put it, "Not to have a correct political orientation is like not having a soul." Mao's little red book is full of exhortations to follow the correct path of Communist thought and by the late l980s Maoist political correctness was well established in American universities. The final stage of development, which we are witnessing now, is the result of cross-fertilization with all the other "isms" -- anti-racism, feminism, structuralism, and post-modernism, which now dominate university curricula. The result is a new and virulent strain of totalitarianism, whose parallels to the Communist era are obvious.

Today's dogmas have led to rigid requirements of language, thought, and behavior, and violators are treated as if they were mentally unbalanced, just as Soviet dissidents were.



Some have argued that it is unfair to describe Stalin's regime as "totalitarian," pointing out that one man, no matter how ruthlessly he exercised power, could not control the functions of the state. But, in fact, he didn't have to. Totalitarianism was much more than state terror, censorship, and concentration camps; it was a state of mind in which the very thought of having a private opinion or point of view had been destroyed. The totalitarian propagandist forces people to believe that slavery is freedom, squalor is bounty, ignorance is knowledge and that a rigidly closed society is the most open in the world. And once enough people are made to think this way it is functionally totalitarian even if a single dictator does not personally control everything.



Today, of course, we are made to believe that diversity is strength, perversity is virtue, success is oppression, and that relentlessly repeating these ideas over and over is tolerance and diversity. Indeed the multicultural revolution works subversion everywhere, just as communist revolutions did. Judicial activism undermines the rule of law, "tolerance" weakens the condition that makes real tolerance possible; universities which should be havens of free enquiry practice censorship that rivals that of the Soviets. At the same time we find a relentless drive for equality: [Homer], the Bible, Shakespeare, and "rap" music are just texts with "equally valid perspectives." Today Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment would have been repackaged as Crime and Counseling.



In the Communist era, the totalitarian state was built on violence. The purpose of the l930s and the Great Terror [of the French Revolution ] (which was Mao's model for the Cultural Revolution) uses violence against "class enemies" to compel loyalty. Party members signed death warrants for "enemies of the people" knowing that the accused were innocent, but believing in the correctness of the charges. In the 1930s, collective guilt justified murdering millions of Russian peasants. As cited by Robert Conquest in The Horror of Sorrowing (p. 143), the state's view of this class was "not one of them was guilty of anything, but they belonged to a class that was guilty of everything." Stigmatizing entire institutions and groups makes it much easier to carry out wholesale change.



This, of course, is the beauty of "racism" and "sexism" for today's culture attackers -- sin can be extended far beyond individuals to include institutions, literature, language, history, laws, customs, entire civilizations. The charge of "institutional racism" is no different than declaring an entire economic class an enemy of the people. "Racism" and "sexism: are multiculturalism's assault weapons, its Big Ideas, just as class warfare was for Communists, and the effects are the same. If a crime can be collectivized, all can be guilty because they belong to the wrong group. When young whites are victims of racial preferences they are today's version of the Russian peasants. Even if they themselves have never oppressed anyone, they "belong to the race that is guilty of everything."



The purpose of these multicultural campaigns is to destroy the self. The mouth moves, the right gestures follow, but they are the mouth and gestures of a zombie, the new Soviet man or today, PC-man. Once enough people have been conditioned this way, violence is no longer necessary; we reach steady-state totalitarianism, in which the vast majority know what is expected of them and play their allotted roles.



The Russian experiment with revolution and totalitarian social engineering has been chronicled by two of that country's greatest writers, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn. They brilliantly dissect the methods and psychology of totalitarian control. Dostoyevsky's The Devils has no equal as a penetrating and disturbing analysis of the revolutionary and totalitarian mind. The "devils" are radical students of the middle and upper classes flirting with something they do not understand. The ruling class seeks to ingratiate itself with them. The universities have essentially declared war on society at large. The great cry of the student radicals is freedom, freedom, from the established norms of society, freedom from manners, freedom from inequality, freedom from the past.



Russia's descent into vice and insanity is a powerful warning of when a nation declares war on the past in the hope of building a terrestrial paradise. Dostoyevsky did not live to see the abominations he predicted, but Solzhenitsyn experienced them firsthand. The Gulag Archipelago and August 1914 can be seen as histories of ideas, as attempts to account for the dreadful fate that befell Russia after 1917. Solzhenitsyn identifies education, and the way teachers saw their duty as instilling hostility in all forms of traditional authority, as the major factors that explain why Russia's youth was seduced by revolutionary ideas. In the West during the 1960s and 1970s -- which collectively can be called "the 60s" -- we hear a powerful echo of the mental capitulation of Russia that took place in the 1870s and continued through the revolution. One of the echoes of Marxism that continues to reverberate today is that truth resides in class (or sex or race or erotic orientation ).



Truth is not something to be established by rational enquiry, but depends on the perspective of the speaker. In the multicultural universe, a person's perspective is "valued" (a favorite word) according to class. Feminists, blacks, environmentalists, and homosexuals have a greater claim to truth because they are oppressed. They see truth more clearly than the white heterosexual men who "oppress" them. This is a perfect mirror image of the Marxist proletariat's moral and intellectual superiority over the bourgeoisie.



Today, "oppression" confers a "privileged perspective" that is essentially infallible. To borrow an expression from Robert Bork's Slouching towards Gomorrah, blacks and feminists are [as] "case hardened against logical argument" as Communist true believers are. Indeed, feminists and anti-racist activists openly reject objective truth. Confident that they have intimidated their opposition, feminists are able to make all kinds of demands on the assumption that men and women are equal in every way. When outcomes do not match that belief, this is only more evidence of white-male deviltry.



One of the most depressing sights in the West today, particularly in the Universities and the media, is the readiness to treat feminism as a major contribution to knowledge and to submit to its absurdities. Remarkably, this requires no physical violence. It is the desire to be accepted that makes people truckle to these middle-class, would-be revolutionaries.



Peter Verkovensky, who orchestrates murder and mayhem in The Devils, expresses it with admirable contempt: "All I have to do is raise my voice and tell them that they are not sufficiently liberal." The race hustlers, of course play the same game. Accuse a liberal of "racism" and "sexism" and watch him fall apart in an orgy of self-flagellation and Marxist self-criticism. Even "conservatives" wilt at the sound of those words.



Ancient liberties and assumptions of innocence mean nothing when it comes to "racism." You are guilty until proven innocent, which is really impossible, and even then you are forever suspect. An accusation of racism has much the same effect as an accusation of witchcraft did in 17th century Salem.



It is the power of the charge of "racism" that stifles the derision that would otherwise meet the idea that that we should "value diversity." If "diversity" had real benefits, whites would want more of it and would ask that even more cities in the U.S. and Europe be handed over to immigrants. Of course, they are not rushing to embrace diversity and multiculturalism; they are in headlong flight in the opposite direction. Valuing diversity is [a] hobby for people who do not have to endure its benefits.



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Multiculturalism and Marxism -- Part II

by Professor Frank Ellis



A multicultural society is one that is inherently prone to conflict, not harmony. This is why we see a large growth in government bureaucracies dedicated to resolving disputes along racial and cultural lines. These disputes can never be resolved permanently because the bureaucrats deny one of the major causes: race. This is why there is so much talk of the "multicultural" rather than the more precise "multiracial." Ever more changes and legislation are introduced to make the host society even more congenial to racial minorities. This only creates more demands, and encourages the non-shooting war against whites, their civilization, and even the ideas of the West.



How is such a radical program carried forward? The Soviet Union had a massive system of censorship -- the Communists even censored street maps -- and it is worth noting there were two kinds of censorship: the blatant censorship of state agencies and the more subtle self-censorship that the inhabitants of "people democracies" soon learned.



The situation in the West is not so straight forward. There is nothing remotely comparable to Soviet-style government censorship and yet we have deliberate suppression of dissent. Arthur Jensen, Hans Eysenck, J. Philippe Rushton, Chris Brand, Michael Levin, and Glayde Whitney have all been vilified for their racial views. The case of Professor Rushton is particularly troubling because his academic work was investigated by the police. The attempt to silence him was based on provisions of Canadian hate speech laws. This is just the sort of intellectual terror one expected in the Soviet Union. To find it in a country which prides itself on being a pillar of Western liberal democracy is one of the most disturbing consequences of multiculturalism.



A mode of opinion control softer than outright censorship is the current obsession with fictional role models. Today, the feminist and anti-racist theme is constantly worked into movies and television as examples of Bartold Brecht's principle that the Marxist artist must show the world not as it is but as it ought to be. This is why we have so many screen portrayals of wise black judges, street wise, straight-shooting lady policemen, minority computer geniuses; and, of course, degenerate white men. This is almost a direct borrowing from Soviet-style socialist realism, with its idealized depictions of sturdy proletarians routing capitalist vermin.



Multiculturalism has the same ambitions as Soviet Communism. It is absolute in its pursuit of its various agendas, yet it relativizes all other perspectives in its attack on its enemies. Multiculturalism is an ideology to end all other ideologies, and these totalitarian aspirations permit us to draw two conclusions:

First, Multiculturalism must eliminate all opposition everywhere. There can be no safe havens for counter-revolutionaries. Second, once it is established the multicultural paradise must be defended at all costs. Orthodoxy must be maintained with all the resources of the state.



Such a society would be well on its way to being totalitarian. It might not have concentration camps, but it would have re-education centers and sensitivity training for those sad creatures who still engaged in "white male hegemonic discourse." Rather than the bald totalitarianism of the Soviet state we would have a softer version in which our minds would be the wards of the state; we would be liberated from the burden of thought and therefore unable to fall into the heresy of political incorrectness.



If we think of multiculturalism as yet another manifestation of 20th century totalitarianism, can we take solace in the fact that the Soviet Union eventually collapsed? Is multiculturalism a phase, a periodic crisis through which the West is passing, or does it represent something fundamental and perhaps irreversible? Despite the efforts of pro-Soviet elements, the West recognized the Soviet empire as a threat. It does not recognize multiculturalism as a threat in the same way. For this reason, many of the assumptions and objectives remain unchallenged. Still, there are some grounds for optimism. For example, the speed with which the term "political correctness" caught on. It took the tenured radicals completely by surprise, but it is only a small gain.



In the long term, the most important battleground in the war against multiculturalism is the United States. The battle is likely to be a slow war of attrition. If it fails, the insanity of multiculturalism is something white Americans will have to live with. Of course, at some time whites may demand an end to being punished because of black failure. As Professor Michael Hart argues in The Real American Dilemma (published by New Century Foundation), there could be a racial partition of the United States. We might find that what happened in the Balkans is not peculiar to that part of the world. Race war is not something the affluent radicals deliberately seek but their policies are pushing us in that direction.



I have argued thus far that the immediate context for understanding political correctness and multiculturalism is the Soviet Union and its catastrophic utopian experiment. And yet the PC/multicultural mentality is much older. In Reflections on the Revolution in France, Edmund Burke offers a portrait of French radicals which is still relevant 200 years after he wrote it: "They have no respect for the wisdom of others, but they pass it off with a very full measure of confidence in their own. With them it is sufficient motive to destroy an old scheme of things because it is an old one. As to the new, they are in no sort of fear of the duration of a building run up in haste because duration is no object to those who think little or nothing has been done before their time, and who place all their hopes in discovery."



Of course, multiculturalism is far from being a solution to racial and cultural conflict. Quite the contrary, multiculturalism is the road to a special kind of hell that we have already seen in the last century, a hell that man, having abandoned and in revolt against God's order, builds for himself and others.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4376472 - 07/06/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism.

Does any society? And the US, being initially founded by immigrants from a wide variety of different countries and cultures, probably counts as a successful society... is that not multicultural?

"Political correctness" in Stalinist Russia was really more about "our politics are correct, and everyone else is wrong", rather than being open and accepting of other cultures.

Of course, according to this guy, simply because the two terms are similar, that means that political correctness or multiculturalism are some kind of totalitarianism.

The entire article is just a bunch of over the top reactionary language.

Sure there are people who oppose racism who don't listen to reason, but that's human nature. Any group with an opinion has plenty of people who will support that opinion, blindly ignoring any argument against it.

There are tons of people on the right who do this, as well as many racists.

The funny thing about this article is its hypocrisy. If they're so pissed off at people who can't argue logically, why would he say something like "Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity.", and not even bother to pull out some statistics or something to justify that? I decided to go to the CIA world factbook and look up a few countries.

What I found seems to be the opposite of what this guy is saying... it seems that he just completely made that up to justify his opinions.

Some examples:

The United States is successful, and I'd say they're pretty diverse as far as countries go, same with Canada, the UK, etc...

Somalia - Ethnic groups: Somali 85%, Bantu and other non-Somali 15% (including Arabs 30,000)

United States - Ethnic groups: white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000)

Cambodia - Ethnic groups: Khmer 90%, Vietnamese 5%, Chinese 1%, other 4%

Canada - Ethnic groups: British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%

United Kingdom - Ethnic groups: English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

North Korea - Ethnic groups: racially homogeneous; there is a small Chinese community and a few ethnic Japanese

Perhaps it's about time to start voicing your own opinions, Lonestar, just copying and pasting the opinions of others isn't really helping, especially when they're the opinions of people who are in the habit of just making things up when they want facts to justify what they're saying.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4376477 - 07/06/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i know phulck its some professors editorial/opinion, but i found it interesting.

you support multiculturalism. i do not.

multiculturalism sucks and its evil. IMO


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
    #4376516 - 07/06/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

what about quotes?


"For the purposes of everyday life it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgment should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying out bullets."
? George Orwell, 1984


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
    #4376541 - 07/06/05 06:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

and this guys name is

Frank Ellis, Ph.D., is a Lecturer in Russian at the University of Leeds, England, and the author of Vasily Grossman: The Genesis and Evolution of a Russian Heretic (Berg, 1994), From Glasnost to the Internet: Russia's New Infosphere (St. Martin's Press, 1999), and The Macpherson Report: 'Anti-racist' Hysteria and Sovietization of the United Kingdom (Right Now Press Ltd., 2001). He has published articles on topics that range from Soviet war literature to political correctness. Prior to taking up an academic career he was a professional soldier and served in the Parachute Regiment of the Special Air Service.


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4376616 - 07/06/05 06:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why is it evil?

I've heard the claim that it leads to violence and unrest, but I've yet to see any evidence that this is the case. If this were true at all, wouldn't an extremely multicultural place like Toronto be a violent hellhole? Not that Toronto is perfect, crime and violence do exist there, like any big city, but it's a pretty peaceful place to live, and the different cultures only serve to make it more interesting.

I don't see how cultural diversity is evil... that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What is evil about various cultures existing together?

The government actions that support multiculturalism are things like funding or promoting cultural music and arts festivals. Are multicultural music festivals evil?

Are ethnic restaurants evil?

And if multiculturalism causes so many problems, why are the most stable and economically sucessful countries so diverse?


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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
    #4377779 - 07/06/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

First I enjoy other cultures.

but multiculturalism is EVIL.

we use to be the Melting Pot of the world but now EVIL multiculturalism has come along and fucked it up.

i do not want to allow evil culture in the world to be accepted in this country. countries that violate individual rights.

Until the past few decades, minority groups were typically expected to assimilate into majority cultures. not anymore

for example here in Texas some families do not think it is important to learn English and will not allow the children to speak English in the home. then when the kid grows up and is unable to read English he/she is FUCKED. that evil shit should not be allowed. but now we are a bunch of pussies and do not want to offend any ones culture so we let it happen. EVIL



I do not want other peoples negative cultures allowed in my country

for example: polygamy sucks for women but is allowed in a lot of other countries. fuck that shit leave it behind.

i remember in some Latin America countries they required that the rape victim marry the rapist. fuck that shit!!!

and fuck evil cultures


I remember watching Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien (pussy)- speaking at a Mosque full of only men and boys. No women - because women are considered unclean by "pure" Islam and must stay out of men's sight, both in public by covering themselves from head to toe, and at home where they are not even allowed to eat with the men. Of course they are allowed to cook the food and clean up the toilets after wards.


another sorry ass cultural practice in Africa is when they remove a 13 year olds clit so she does not enjoy sex. i read somewhere that its happening in Europe. well fuck that it ain't gonna happen here in the USA. that's some evil shit.

now if you want to be cultural sensitive and cut up a women's vagina so she does not enjoy sex that's your problem. keep that evil shit away from America.

when multiculturalism trumps individual rights??? fuck that evil shit.


Tolerance is about as evil an idea as there is.


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