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InvisibleGreat_Satan
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Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values
    #3505588 - 12/15/04 08:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values
by Dennis Prager

November 9, 2004

According to The New York Times, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, reflecting on her party's recent losses in the presidential, Senate and House elections, asked: "How did a party that is filled with people with values -- and I am a person with values -- get tagged as the party without values?"

As one who was raised a Democrat and became a Republican only 10 years ago, I would like to answer Gov. Napolitano's question as honestly as she posed it.

Gov. Napolitano, your party does indeed have very many people with values in it. But the Democratic Party is no more representative of the average Democrat's values than the National Council of Churches is of the average Protestant's values. Both are far to the left of their membership.

Here is the Democratic Party as most Americans, including this John F. Kennedy liberal -- a New York City born and raised, Jewish, Ivy League-educated intellectual who lives in Los Angeles -- see it.

To most Americans, Michael Moore is a Marxist who has utter contempt for most of his fellow Americans, who goes abroad and tells huge audiences how stupid and venal his country is, and in his dishonest propaganda film, portrays the American military as callous buffoons. Yet, this radical was given the most honored seat at the Democratic Party convention in Boston, next to former President Jimmy Carter.

To most Americans, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are race-baiting demagogues. Yet they are heroes to the Democratic Party. Most Americans do not see their country as the bigoted and racist nation regularly depicted by both black and white Democratic leaders.

To most Americans, a man who wears women's clothing to work is a pathetic person in need of psychotherapy. To the Democratic Party, he is a man whose cross-dressing is merely another expression of multiculturalism. The California legislature, which is entirely controlled by Democrats, passed a law prohibiting any employer from firing a man who shows up to work wearing women's clothing.

To most Americans, Eminem is a vulgar nihilist who poisons young Americans' minds. To John Kerry he was a man whose anti-Bush hate video was worthy of endorsement.

To most Americans, obscenity-filled evenings should be restricted to R-rated films or a Las Vegas comedy act, not a major party's fund raiser attended by its candidates for president of the United States. To Democrats, those who object to such evenings are regarded as judgmental, hypocritical and narrow minded.

To most Americans, Hollywood stars are regarded as terrific to watch in films but also as narcissistic ingrates when, between private jet trips to Cuba and Cannes, they express their contempt for traditional America. That the Democrats have a veritable monopoly on support from folks like Sean Penn and Robert "Castro-is-a-great-leader" Redford may give Democrats a heady feeling, but for tens of millions of Americans it merely reinforces their belief that the Democratic Party shares Hollywood's values. Even The New York Times, in a post-election analysis, wrote of "the possibility that activist entertainers' fervent endorsements might have cost Mr. Kerry the election."

To most Americans, the American military is not only heroic; it is regarded as more important to safeguarding freedom than any other human institution, including the ACLU, the United Nations or the university, to cite three major Democratic Party affiliates. To virtually the entire Left, which includes the Democratic Party, the military is, at best, a necessary evil. Otherwise, the overriding doctrine is "Make love, not war." That is why Harvard still refuses to allow ROTC training -- and it is unlikely that either of the Massachusetts senators even finds that wrong, let alone as reprehensible as most Americans do.

To most Americans, gays are fellow Americans who happen to be homosexual and who should be accorded the same respect any fellow American is accorded. But most Americans also believe that America should retain the millennia-old definition of marriage as man-woman. They regard liberal judges who take it upon themselves to redefine marriage with contempt. And these judges are identified with the Democrats.

Whatever their views on abortion and abortion rights, the vast majority of Americans view the abortion of a viable fetus/baby (partial-birth abortion) as immoral. The Democratic candidate and his fellow Democrats repeatedly voted against a ban on this practice.

Gov. Napolitano, I hope that this short list answers your question about how it is that your party has gotten tagged as "the party without values." Indeed, the real question, as this observer sees it, is how has this party retained so many people who have traditional American values?

?2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20041109.shtml


Edited by Great_Satan (12/15/04 08:52 PM)


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3505621 - 12/15/04 08:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

They're tagged with that because it works to defeat them and they haven't figured out how to counter it. Which is good enough for me. I hate them for other reasons.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3505643 - 12/15/04 08:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)



Edited by Great_Satan (12/15/04 09:00 PM)


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3505653 - 12/15/04 09:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

they are just not getting their message out.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3505719 - 12/15/04 09:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Cultural values should not be legislated.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3505735 - 12/15/04 09:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They're tagged with that because it works to defeat them and they haven't figured out how to counter it.




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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3505936 - 12/15/04 09:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
they are just not getting their message out.




:rotfl:


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3506116 - 12/15/04 10:19 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Who cares about values? If you want values shop at Wal-Mart.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: ]
    #3506324 - 12/15/04 10:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Republicrats have no values :lol:


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: DNKYD]
    #3507331 - 12/16/04 03:12 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Both parties are full of self serving pukes who couldn't care less about what happens to their voters... Right = Left... Their rivalry is an illusion used to hide the behind-the-scenes bigshots who would rather stay anonymous.  IMHO.


"Who cares about values? If you want values shop at Wal-Mart. "

:lol:


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3507965 - 12/16/04 11:06 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

im glad theres pricks like him around to make all us looney libbys seem a little less looney...


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3508061 - 12/16/04 11:31 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

im glad theres pricks like him around to make all us looney libbys seem a little less looney...




uh oh...


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: phi1618]
    #3508099 - 12/16/04 11:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They're tagged with that because it works to defeat them and they haven't figured out how to counter it.







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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Tao]
    #3516118 - 12/18/04 04:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If having no values means equal rights for gays, legal abortion, gun control, no prayer in school, balancing the budget and taxing the shit out of the rich... I'm guilty as charged.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3516147 - 12/18/04 04:15 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"Boo-hoo, the faggots are coming to get me."
:rolleyes:

The "majority of americans" are apparently uneducated mouth breathers who can't stand the idea of people who don't think and act like them being given equal rights.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Phluck]
    #3516252 - 12/18/04 05:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Which is ironic... because... well... why the fuck did America's founders run away to America in the first place?


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Rose]
    #3516741 - 12/18/04 11:39 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

To establish their own theocracy


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3518038 - 12/18/04 09:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You are right about the perceptions of most americans.

However, I would add something. Think back to high school if you went to a public school. Think of how stupid the average person in your high school was. I mean really think about it, recall watching them try and solve an algebra problem and struggling with it like it was a complicated theorm. Remember the way they would think watching MTV while eating Taco Bell products made them cool. Remember how stupid this average guy was.

Now, half the people are dumber then that. So to say that a majority of americans think X is a little misleading. Most americans have never thought a single thing in their lives. Most of them only have proto-thoughts, which are like thoughts, only they are installed by religious leaders, educational authorities, and advertisers. For example. Lets say your average joe is on his way to wal-mart to buy some american flag stuff made in china for his 6 wheel 3 mpg truck. While at Wal-Mart, Average Joe thinks "Man, some McDonalds would sure be nice."

Wait, the story went wrong. Average Joe didn't think anything! Instead, he had the McDonalds logo pop into his head as the result of advertising he isn't even aware was affecting him.

Like Average Joe's craving for McDonalds, most americans do not have more then proto-thoughts about politics. Let's suppose Average Joe gets his news from the Drudge Report. He looks at the pictures of George Bush which are designed to mimic religious imagery (for example, so there is a halo behind is had from the lighting or an agency seal), and subconsciously associates him with religious icons. Then, he looks at the pictures of Kerry, which are designed to make him look awkward and gay (for example, by showing him whispering something into another guys ear). He subconsciously associates Kerry with that spot in our heads for 'other' where people like foreigners go (doesn't he look french?). Then, you ask Average Joe about politics. Average Joe says "I think George Bush is the guy for me, something about Kerry doesn't sit right with me."

But, again, average joe is mistaken. He didn't think at all. Rather, he was again the victim of advertising he wasn't even aware of!

So, even if most americans feel as your article suggests, it does not mean that they have any thoughts at all. It just means the press manipulation for "Moore is a fat slob" was better then the press manipulation for "Moore is one of the only people in the US who tells the truth about things". Or that the press for "Gays are a threat to the family unit" beat out the press for "Gays are people who deserve to not be discriminated against".

So, to say democrats have been tagged as the party without values is just to say that the republican machine did a better job of manipulating the non-thinking masses then the republican machine. It can't be representitive of what most americans think because most americans are too stupid to think.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the 10 guys from the military industrial complex who orchestrated the Kennedy assassination are laughing to themselves that it's so easy to keep exploiting the stupid masses by throwing out pre-packaged non-debates about gays and fetuses, as they continue to exploit the third world, supress civil rights, and screw the poor to grow their bank accounts regardless of which party wins.


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Edited by tomk (12/18/04 09:19 PM)


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: tomk]
    #3518065 - 12/18/04 09:17 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So what if people are stupid? Have you ever thought that the reason your party lost the election is that they considered everyone an idiot who needs to be told what to think and do? There comes a point in time when you need to listen to the poor, middle-american working class instead of your euro-pseudo-intellectual libs living in their malibu beach houses and manhattan sky-rises. Just because you think you are smarter than everyone else doesn't mean that their opinion doesn't matter...not in america.

I agree with you on a lot of things, including the iraq war, but i also put a lot of emphasis on the majority opinion in the US because that is what our society is about.


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Re: Why Democrats are tagged as the party without values [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518084 - 12/18/04 09:25 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Dude the democrat party isn't my party. Both parties are corporate whores which only present the illusion of choice in regard to a few small pre-packaged non-issues (gays, abortion, flag burning) while, really, there is no chance for meaningful change no matter who wins. You think it is a coincidence that both candidates happened to be from the same ultra secret yale society? I've given up hope for meaningful change is this country. People are too stupid, and too easy to manipulate to change the real problems in this country.

My point was that majority opinion isn't a reflection on what people think because most people are too dumb to think. Instead, it's a reflection on the relative success of different groups of elite media players who really represent two sides of the same coin. To think that we should pay attention to public opinion when the public is so stupid is really just to say that whoever is best at advertising should be in charge.


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