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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
So are we indifferent to the border or are we advocating open borders?

Thanks in advance for being honest.


By voting for the "open borders" candidate, democrats were advocating for open borders.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Webster10]
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I don't remember Hillary ever saying we should have open borders . If you have evidence to back that up I would like to see it .


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
Obama created the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, that didn't happen by pure chance. :lol:


To be fair, it was Reagan that started the inequality trend, and no president has significantly changed Reagan's trickle down policies.  Until someone does, income inequality will continue to worsen.



PS - I totally agree with The Ecstatic's responses on how Democrats feel about immigration; it's simply not a defining issue for us, just like gun control isn't.  We want economic reform as he and Cyrus19 said, and immigration is a relatively insignificant piece of that.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Obama created the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, that didn't happen by pure chance. :lol:


To be fair, it was Reagan that started the inequality trend, and no president has significantly changed Reagan's trickle down policies.  Until someone does, income inequality will continue to worsen.



PS - I totally agree with The Ecstatic's responses on how Democrats feel about immigration; it's simply not a defining issue for us, just like gun control isn't.  We want economic reform as he and Cyrus19 said, and immigration is a relatively insignificant piece of that.


"it's simply not a defining issue for us"

It wasn't for Republican Party either, that's why Trump beat 14 Republican candidates and Clinton while acting like a total ass clown, maybe it's time to rethink the issue.

"We want economic reform"

I know, but you can't have higher wages and lower unemployment without addressing BOTH legal and illegal immigration. :shrug:

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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman] * 1
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Wait what?

Are you being sarcastic or are you seriously claiming Trump didnt campaign on immigration?


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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Also, you can absolutely improve wages and completely neglect illegal immigration. Raise the minimum wage. Single payer healthcare. Those two simple things alone would elevate workers much much farther than throwing more money at an ineffective immigration enforcement strategy.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Also, you can absolutely improve wages and completely neglect illegal immigration. Raise the minimum wage. Single payer healthcare. Those two simple things alone would elevate workers much much farther than throwing more money at an ineffective immigration enforcement strategy.


:thatsaten:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Also, you can absolutely improve wages and completely neglect illegal immigration. Raise the minimum wage. Single payer healthcare. Those two simple things alone would elevate workers much much farther than throwing more money at an ineffective immigration enforcement strategy.


Neither of those ideas will make me any richer, though.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Without a rich heart, wealth is an ugly beggar.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Neither of those ideas will make me any richer, though.


Me neither.  That means we're already doing well.  :smirk:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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No, it means that we need to find a solution to help ALL Americans.  Not just the 99%, but the 1% as well.  NO MILLIONAIRE LEFT BEHIND!


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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:lol:


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil] * 2
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The 1% are fucking up expectations for everyone.

Lets guillotine them, and then grade on a curve.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Why not death camps for the poor?  That will bring up the average wealth of every American.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Wait what?

Are you being sarcastic or are you seriously claiming Trump didnt campaign on immigration?


I don't really consider Trump part of the Republican Party, so I wasn't suggesting he didn't campaign on immigration issues. I was referring to the Republican idiots he was running against in the primaries.

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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: Enlil]
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Guillotines are quick, camps arent as time efficient.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Wait what?

Are you being sarcastic or are you seriously claiming Trump didnt campaign on immigration?


I don't really consider Trump part of the Republican Party, so I wasn't suggesting he didn't campaign on immigration issues. I was referring to the Republican idiots he was running against in the primaries.


Oh ok.


I think one of the main reasons Trump was able to shine in the primaries was his willingness to say things related to immigration that no other candidate would dare say. Those statements had an enormous effect on his "says it like it is" image.


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Also, you can absolutely improve wages and completely neglect illegal immigration. Raise the minimum wage. Single payer healthcare. Those two simple things alone would elevate workers much much farther than throwing more money at an ineffective immigration enforcement strategy.


"Raise the minimum wage"

Yet, people will still hire the abundance of cheap illegal labor.

How is it going to help unskilled/uneducated/ unemployed/underemployed workers?  It's not.

"Single payer health care"

Which I support as well, but we need more people working higher paying jobs to support that system. Illegals working under the table doesn't fund that type of program. :shrug:

Why doesn't the government go after employers of illegal workers?  It wouldn't be that difficult. I think you already know the answer.

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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman]
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I have only known one illegal my entire life.  This person is a real estate person in a very large city.  Just sold a million dollar deal.  That is not under the table.

Now if you think all illegals do dry wall or migrant work, maybe that's a bit racist?


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Re: Did the Democrats finally see the light? [Re: qman] * 2
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Single payer costs less than our current system.


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