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Nationwide poll of Iraqis
    #2439338 - 03/16/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: Phred]
    #2439588 - 03/16/04 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Asshole Imus and Joe Biden thought 57% was too low and indicated failure. They also thought it meant 43% thought it was worse. As if "the same" wasn't an option. I hate retards .


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: Phred]
    #2439918 - 03/16/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not much surprise there. How could it not be better.

There's most likely a lot-o-tears in libbie land over this.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2439930 - 03/16/04 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont understand why you think there would be tears in libbie land??


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: GazzBut]
    #2439995 - 03/16/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I dont understand why you think there would be tears in libbie land??



Really? While I suspect you're pulling my chain......

Had things gotten worse the libbies could then have said... "I told you so".

This makes that all the more difficult for them to do so. Although that won't stop some of them.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: Phred]
    #2440006 - 03/16/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is good news! Those people have suffered enough...I hope the extremist insurgency dies down as well.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2440098 - 03/16/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Not much surprise there. How could it not be better.

There's most likely a lot-o-tears in libbie land over this.



I think that anyone who would prefer more suffering rather than less is not worthy of the title "liberal."


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: silversoul7]
    #2440115 - 03/16/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Then why were liberals against the war, it helped far more people than it hurt.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2440124 - 03/16/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I cant speak for all "libbies" but I said all along that a pleasant side effect of the war in iraq would be that the Iraqi's may end up better off..

Are you pretending that was the reason Blair and Bush wanted to go to war in the first place?

I dont think we should let the improvement in the lives of the iraqi's distract our attention from the fact that our leaders are either incompetent or worse, but more likely, outright liars.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2440132 - 03/16/04 06:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Then why were liberals against the war, it helped far more people than it hurt.



That's debatable. And some might believe that it is wrong of us to initiate violence against others, regardless of the outcome.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: silversoul7]
    #2440157 - 03/16/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Not much surprise there. How could it not be better.

There's most likely a lot-o-tears in libbie land over this.



I think that anyone who would prefer more suffering rather than less is not worthy of the title "liberal."



Yet, that's what they are called.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: GazzBut]
    #2440165 - 03/16/04 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I cant speak for all "libbies" but I said all along that a pleasant side effect of the war in iraq would be that the Iraqi's may end up better off..



Which is why I avoided the use of the word "all".


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Are you pretending that was the reason Blair and Bush wanted to go to war in the first place?



Not at all. Are you pretending there was one and only one reason? Are you pretending that, oh... perhaps maybe one of your countrymen wouldn't rather the opposite result had arisen from that poll?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: silversoul7]
    #2440172 - 03/16/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's debatable.



Your definition of debatable seems..... odd.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: Phred]
    #2440173 - 03/16/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I hope they enjoy what we've done for them.

We've spent billions, lost soldiers lives, lost the respect of many countries, made the UN look powerless, divided our citizens and made Americans less likely to back the government if we have to go to war against an actual threat.  :nonono:




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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2440198 - 03/16/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's debatable.



Your definition of debatable seems..... odd.



As does your idea of "best of bad choices."


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2442040 - 03/17/04 05:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im not pretending anything. But while you find it amusing there will be tears in libbie land I find it equally amusing that some on the other side of the equation think this somehow justifies the lying and incompetence that took us to war..or lets get real, the plain greed for all that cheap Iraqi oil.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: GazzBut]
    #2442052 - 03/17/04 06:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, as long as we're both amused by something.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: Phred]
    #2442282 - 03/17/04 09:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have no doubt that a majority of Iraqis are better off now than they were under Saddam's regime.  I'm very happy for them.

That of course doesn't address the fact that 10,000 Iraqis died to buy them that better life, yet I suppose if you want to pick up the utilitarian line of argument the death of 10,000 may just be balanced out by the increased well-being of millions.  But then again you seem to have nothing but contempt for utilitarianism, so I'm not sure where exactly you're going with this.

One thing to keep in mind: the war in Iraq is going to wind up costing at least $200 Billion.  The World Bank has estimated that providing clean water to the 1.1 billion people in the world who don't have access to it would cost $165 billion.  That would be a measure that would save tens of thousands of lives and improve the quality of life for over a billion people, at a substantial savings over the Iraq war.

Because that's what the war in Iraq was all about, right?  Helping people. :lol:


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2442769 - 03/17/04 11:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Because that's what the war in Iraq was all about, right? Helping people.



Ah, actually it's about helping well connected people.


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Re: Nationwide poll of Iraqis [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2442781 - 03/17/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no doubt that a majority of Iraqis are better off now than they were under Saddam's regime.  I'm very happy for them.

That of course doesn't address the fact that 10,000 Iraqis died to buy them that better life, yet I suppose if you want to pick up the utilitarian line of argument the death of 10,000 may just be balanced out by the increased well-being of millions.  But then again you seem to have nothing but contempt for utilitarianism, so I'm not sure where exactly you're going with this.

One thing to keep in mind: the war in Iraq is going to wind up costing at least $200 Billion.  The World Bank has estimated that providing clean water to the 1.1 billion people in the world who don't have access to it would cost $165 billion.  That would be a measure that would save tens of thousands of lives and improve the quality of life for over a billion people, at a substantial savings over the Iraq war.

Because that's what the war in Iraq was all about, right?  Helping people. :lol:




How about the thousands of people that saddam would have surely killed. He has killed far more than 10,000 people in the past. Yeah 10,000 died, but how many more were saved by his being removed from power?


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