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Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy
    #2678829 - 05/14/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy


By WILL LESTER
Associated Press Writer

May 14, 2004, 2:22 PM EDT

PHOENIX -- Iraqis are likely to say they want to live in a democracy, though they don't necessarily understand how it works.

Some pollsters who have done nationwide surveys of Iraq in recent months talked about their findings at a meeting this week of the American Association for Public Opinion Research.

One barrier to democracy is that many in the country need more information about how it would work, their research suggests.

"There's the sense that people in Iraq know they want democracy, but they don't know how to get there," said Christoph Sahm, director of Oxford Research International.

Sahm's firm conducted its first nationwide poll of Iraq last fall, and conducted another in February for ABC News, the British Broadcasting Corp., the German broadcasting network ARD and the Japanese network NHK. Oxford is continuing to poll in Iraq.

Richard Burkholder, director of international polling for Gallup, said the type of government Iraqis preferred was a multiparty democracy like those in many Western European countries.

"Very low down the list is an Islamic theocracy, in which mullahs and religious leaders have a lot of influence, such as in Iran," said Burkholder, who polled in Baghdad in August and nationwide in late March and early April for CNN and USA Today.

In the most recent Gallup poll, four in 10 said they preferred a multiparty parliamentary democracy -- that was the form of government most often mentioned. When Oxford Research International asked Iraqis in a separate poll to name the party they favored or the candidate they backed, the majority offered no preference on either question.

For Sahm, the inability or unwillingness to answer those questions indicates Iraqis have much to learn about how democracies and political parties work after decades living in a country ruled by a dictator.

Sahm and Burkholder said they've found Iraqis have a sense of optimism about the future of their country. But they understand that nothing can be achieved until the nation is more secure.

Both pollsters found Iraqis very willing to share their feelings.

Burkholder recounted how a transitional Iraqi government minister initially told his team Iraqis would not talk to pollsters. But as soon as the minister left the room, another Iraqi laughed and told the Gallup pollster: "Don't pay any attention to him, he's been in Minneapolis for the last 19 years."

Added Sahm, "The response has been tremendous. We go into 100 households and only four or five refuse. It's unheard of."

A recent Pew Research Center study of response levels in the United States found that only about one in four people contacted agreed to participate in a survey conducted over several days.

Both pollsters found Iraqis growing more impatient with the presence of coalition troops, even before the prison abuse controversy emerged. However, most favored getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

Iraqis have identified some successful areas in post-Saddam Iraq, the pollsters found.

"One of the things that comes up again and again as a success in the transition so far is education," Sahm said. He also mentioned increasing trust in the Iraqi police and the new Iraqi army.

"When we see the images of war and terror on the TV screen," Sahm said, "it's hard to believe that behind all of this, many Iraqis are leading normal lives and going about their business."
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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2678868 - 05/14/04 05:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

who cares? should our boys die to "liberate" every country that wants a democracy? if people want something, they need to revolt. oh wait, thats right we should only send our soldiers to die bringing democracy to oil rich countries.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2678900 - 05/14/04 05:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Are you so unable to focus? I made no statement as to whether we should be there or not.

The article deals with what form of gov the Iraqis want. How about sticking to that?


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2678905 - 05/14/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

and im saying, i could give a flying fuck about what iraqis want :smirk: :thumbup:


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2678913 - 05/14/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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and im saying, i could give a flying fuck about what iraqis want :smirk: :thumbup:




This is reasonable thinking :smile:


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2678919 - 05/14/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I would imagine they would be pretty confused, what with a tyrant behind them, and an islamic theocracy and a capitalist oligarchy waiting to pounce on them from either side. Tree democracy must seem a long way off.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2678926 - 05/14/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

if they want democracy soooo bad, how bout they take some control themselves? root out the "terrorists", rat out resistence fighters, iraqis want us out of their country.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2678951 - 05/14/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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and im saying, i could give a flying fuck about what iraqis want :smirk: :thumbup:



Unless of course they want the US to leave. Then I'm sure you'll actually "give a flying fuck" about what they want.

What a hypocrite.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: MetaShroom]
    #2678961 - 05/14/04 06:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I would imagine they would be pretty confused, what with a tyrant behind them, and an islamic theocracy and a capitalist oligarchy waiting to pounce on them from either side. Tree democracy must seem a long way off.




Especially in this schisophrenic political moment. And they where on the good path just two years ago. Saddam was getting older, emigration started to organize themselves. And now this. Total chaos.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2678972 - 05/14/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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if they want democracy soooo bad, how bout they take some control themselves? root out the "terrorists", rat out resistence fighters, iraqis want us out of their country.




Off course. Democracy can not be set up by anybody else but by demos who established it. Everything else is just a big lie for politically naive masses.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2678983 - 05/14/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Who cares if a few grunts get shot?


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2678987 - 05/14/04 06:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

latest poll....More americans want money.

what a shock!


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: afoaf]
    #2678993 - 05/14/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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afoaf said:
latest poll....More americans want money.

what a shock!



That at least would be accurate. Not quite on topic though.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2679022 - 05/14/04 06:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
if they want democracy soooo bad, how bout they take some control themselves? root out the "terrorists", rat out resistence fighters, iraqis want us out of their country.




That is a pretty ignorant and nieve thing to say.
Reminds me when the lefties used to say "If the Iraqis hate Sadam why don't they get rid of him themselves?":thumbdown:


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2679047 - 05/14/04 06:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

it's quite on topic...

the poll is a 'no shit' question.

I don't think anyone here doubts that anyone around
the world, muslim or not, probably wants democracy
even in the face of short term instability.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2679058 - 05/14/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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That is a pretty ignorant and nieve thing to say.
Reminds me when the lefties used to say "If the Iraqis hate Sadam why don't they get rid of him themselves?":thumbdown:




Or, if the americans find Mr. Bush be an idiot, why dont theyfind the new president? It is all the same problem.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: afoaf]
    #2679076 - 05/14/04 06:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

latest poll....More americans want money.

Well according to another poll, some 83% of Iraqis hate being occupied by the USA. Guess we could have saved $300,000,000,000.

Kee-rist, we could have built a city on Mars for that bill. Instead we get a dictator in jail and a few thousand dead Iraqi soldiers. Woo hoo!

Boy was that worth it! Bush is a genius - at bankrupting America.


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2679101 - 05/14/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Crobih said:
Or, if the americans find Mr. Bush be an idiot, why dont theyfind the new president? It is all the same problem.




I'm not sure if you are aware of the difference between a democratic republic where we vote for our leaders, and a dictatorship where you are tortured and executed for even speaking poorly of the ruler.
America will probobly have a new president next year, and the same problems, because we can vote. In Iraq they had the same guy for like 30 years, who killed hundreds of thousands of dissidents. Do you really think this is the same thing?


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2679106 - 05/14/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

china is a dictatorship and their government has murdered millions, how come we dont invade them? or how bouts iran? syria? north korea? or one of thw many afircan countries run by brutal dictators? ohhh i know, they dont have oil  :shocked:


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Re: Surveys: More Iraqis Want Democracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2679120 - 05/14/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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china is a dictatorship and their government has murdered millions, how come we dont invade them? or how bouts iran? syria? north korea? or one of thw many afircan countries run by brutal dictators? ohhh i know, they dont have oil  :shocked:




Ok so you think it was all over oil? Explain gas prices? You need to read up on some economics. If we wanted the oil we would have 'given peace a chance', given Sadam a big bear-hug, dropped our sanctions and BOUGHT IT for about 300 billion dollars cheaper. Just like Germany and France.


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