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A Question...
    #2432850 - 03/14/04 11:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So, do the living out-number the dead?

Has that happened yet?

Please to answer, or be at rest to simply contemplate...


Papaver?s ashtray of love-you-longtime zen happy craftsmanship!? :laugh:

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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2432865 - 03/14/04 11:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

there is more dead than alive fo sho


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Re: A Question... [Re: onetime]
    #2432875 - 03/14/04 11:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

craziest ashtray I ever did see!


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2432889 - 03/14/04 11:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The dead outnumber the living, and will for a long, long time to come.

This article estimates 60 billion deaed:
http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/article.jsp?id=lw208


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Re: A Question... [Re: phi1618]
    #2432938 - 03/15/04 12:04 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Many happy thanks to fibonacci-inspired shell construct who provided answer to question in super happy fun time! Thank You!? :laugh: -->

Fibonacci = Best way to pack things in naturally occurring nature of natural objects or otherwise unnatural in being part of nature too. Just ask, God. he swears by the Fibonacci Bros Packing & Moving Company! :smile:

*God was not paid for his endorsement.


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2432950 - 03/15/04 12:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: :laugh:


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2432952 - 03/15/04 12:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

man papver I love the way you speak
I have allways loved reading your posts
its like reading electric kool aid acid test


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: A Question... [Re: fee]
    #2432977 - 03/15/04 12:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, but sometimes my histrio-linguistic-gymnastics trip me over my own feet, whilst tripping along...

...whilst tripping...

...whilst...

...and other parts, which I may now forget, now...

...or later...

PS: What time is your VCR blinking right now? Same time as tomorrow? :grin:


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2433030 - 03/15/04 12:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

exactly

you should right a whole page of that kind of shit ^^^^^^
I wish I could write/think like that
damn I wish I was an artist


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2433035 - 03/15/04 12:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have another question...

Why is it that some things don't sound like others, sometimes, unless that's also an option?

*Intentially sub-threaded, although off-topic of this thread, out of respect for the forum's threads.

PS: Is your VCR still blinking the same time? If so, then this shall be our official time in here -- Zero Hour Happy Funtime!? The end of history! :laugh:

Or, at least, those little moments in-between time! :grin:

We Are Not History in the Making!? :laugh:


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2433056 - 03/15/04 12:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)



Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 12:54 AM)


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Re: A Question... [Re: Xibalba]
    #2433084 - 03/15/04 12:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, who taught them little critters how to multiply? Or, maybe they come by it naturally... I don't know...

All I know is, that if they keep this up, we'll all be overrun sooner than later! :grin:


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Re: A Question... [Re: fee]
    #2433156 - 03/15/04 12:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
damn I wish I was an artist




Yes, and if wishes where horses, then we'd already be living on mars by now... :wink:

Or, to borrow a bit of old corporate-shoe-branding...

Just Do It!? :laugh:

So go shoe your horse, and ride along with us! :cool:

It's Better To Be "Old Paint," Than New Glue!? :grin:

*Fee, it's like jazz! You can play anything over anything -- anything at all, no, really, you can -- you just gotta mean it there! If you get my drift...

PS: Where are all these lost references gone to?


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2433431 - 03/15/04 02:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Fibonacci

"It seems to me that the fibonacci sequence in Lateralus expands and then contracts again.

Thus:

Black (1)
Then (1)
White are (2)
All I see (3)
In my infancy (5)
Red then yellow then came to be (8)
Reaching out to me lets me see (8 - anomaly? Or just good song writing...)
As below so above and beyond I imagine (13)
Drawn beyond the lines of reason (8)
Push the envelope (5)
Watch it bend (3)

Okay, so it repeats one number in the sequence, and it doesn't quite get back to the beginning again, but the sequence definitely seems to be following the fibonacci principles, except that it gets so far and then contracts once more rather than increasing to infinity (which let's face it, is a little impractical in a song).

Interesting to note how pleasing the sequence of syllables expressed using the fibonacci sequence is to the ear, it lends a rhythmic quality to the words that is unusual and yet quite natural and familiar.

The second time this phrase pattern appears in the song it almost has a better sequencing, and looks like it might extend it too, but it doesn't quite manage it.

As above for the first few lines:
(1)
(1)
(2)
(3)
(5)
(8)
Reaching out to me, let's me see there is so much more (13)
And beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities (17)
As below so above and beyond I imagine (13)
Drawn outside the lines of reason (8)
Push the envelope (5)
Watch it bend (3)

As you can see, second time around in the song the sequence is much more expanding-contracting fibonacci-like, in that there is no annoying repetition of the 8-syllable phrase in the sequence to get in the way, so the only anomaly the second time around is the sudden appearance of the number 17, which to my mind can justifiably appear as an oddity as it functions as the rotation point for going back down the fibonacci sequence again. Shame it didn't rotate around the number 21 though, the next number in the fibonacci sequence. Unless someone can point out a special feature of the number 17, either in and of itself or preferrably how it relates to other numbers in the sequence as a ratio."


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Re: A Question... [Re: Dankman]
    #2433713 - 03/15/04 04:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Here's some old fibonacci stuff from an old web-site of mine, that I dug up. I don't know if it will format right or not...

Quote:

Fibonacci and the Music of the Spheres...



I was poking around into the Fibonacci sequence today. That mathematical pattern which seems to predict everything from the spiral growth of sea shells, pine cones and seed pods, to the number petals on flowers and the patterns of leaves. Whose derivative the golden section, or the proportion of 1:1.618 can be found on architectural proportions we find attractive, and of course, those proportions of human beauty which we find attractive.



The fibonacci sequence is formed by starting with 0 and 1 and then adding the latest two numbers to get the next one:



0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377...and so on...



The Fibonacci sequence also bears a direct relation to what is known as the golden section or golden ratio. The golden section numbers are 0.61803... and 1.61803... and are expressed as rations of 0.618:1 or 1:1.618. These numbers are arrived at by extracting the ratios of neighboring Fibonacci numbers: 1/1 = 1, 2/1 = 2, 3/2 = 1.5, 5/3 = 1.666..., 8/5 = 1.6, 13/8 = 1.625, 21/13 = 1.615..., 34/21 = 1.619..., 55/34 = 1.617... and so on. The sequence of ratios continues on infinitely, much like pi, ever approximating a number that be practically shortened as 1.618, and expressed as a ration as 1:1.618 (inversely expressed as 0.618:1).



Well, I was thinking about this, and I began to wonder, what about music. Surely music, that most mathematical of constructs, must bear some relation to the Fibonacci sequence? Now, I'm not interested in whether a particular composer experimented with the Fibonacci sequence to write a specific musical work. That research has been done, and is well documented. What I'm interested in is its fundamental relationship to the scales and modes that the human mind finds attractive.



So I took the first few numbers of the sequence and overlayed it on the major scale of western music and started looking for patterns. What I got was inconclusive at best, but does bear further inquiry:



Fibbonacci number applied over a C major (or 8 note ionian) scale



 1  #  2  #  3  4  #  5  #  6  #  7  8 
1 2 3 5 8
8 13
21
34

55


I have no idea what the above means, except that that there is a emphasis on the major triad (1,3,5), the mixolydian root (5), and especially the aeolian, or natural minor, root (6), and a complete absence of emphasis on the lydian root (4).



I also wondered what if I overlayed this sequence on the twelve note octave, disregarding the major scale altogether? You what I got? The same damn thing! Here is the correspondence of the seqence layered over the twelve note octave to the sequence layered over the eight note major scale of western music.



Fibbonacci number applied over a C chromatic (or 12 note) scale:



 1  #  2  #  3  4  #  5  #  6  #  7  8 
1 2 3 5 8 13
(1) (2) (3) (5) (8)


Note that the resulting correlations when the major scale is transposed over these notes is again 1,2,3,5,8!!! What any of this means, I'm not quite sure. It will require further investigation. I'm sure the answer lies in the music of the spheres, and perhaps the correct serotonin antagonists may provide fruitful research results.







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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2433729 - 03/15/04 04:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

interesting pappy about music of the spheres... have you read "Nadha Brahma"? It's a book about how the musical scales that man has created are true reflections of harmony in the universe, etc etc... some obscure hindu philosophy of the world being sound. hence aesthetically pleasing colours are "harmonious" and so on. Check it out.


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2434364 - 03/15/04 12:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

stop trying to make me think ......


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Re: A Question... [Re: Papaver]
    #2434829 - 03/15/04 02:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe someone should dose grams of cubensis/hits of acid as per the Fibonacci sequence on the corresponding days (i.e., one gram/hit the first day, two the third etc. up to 13 or 21 and back down to 1(?)) and report back.


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