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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
vandago said:
1234go said:
Shut up, morrow.




You better watch it.  Morrow can flip a 100 lb weimaranar over in the middle of an attack, and he lifts it by it's legs....even though that dog commonly gets hip displaxia, and you shouldn't lift a dog by it's legs.....

.....that post honestly made me cringe as to how kennel workers may treat these beasts too.



Right because when a weimy is half a second from tearing a lab's throat out, I'm really concerned about its hips

your post is merely a reflection of your ignorance of what it is like to actually work in a kennel



How frequently are dogs at your kennel mismanaged enough to be in a fighting scenario?
Every animal shelter my volunteer time has been put in, each dog had an individual locking kennel
and were taken to the outdoor kennels individually on a leash

any boarding kennel one of my dogs stayed in during a vacation
was always a facility large enough for dogs not to be placed together
unless they had already demonstrated friendliness

if this was anything other than a one-off experience,
someone should probably have word with the manager about implementing better kennels
or better policies in dog handling

tho, to be fair, most of the shelters where my time was put in
were kill shelters
so the workers were careful not to let the animals get into a position of fighting
otherwise both dogs could end up on the "unadoptable" list and be next for euthanasia
even if one was strictly the attacked
so we were pretty mindful of keeping dogs separated
unless they had been relinquished by the same owner/household

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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
Are you supposed to put them on one of these?





Pinch collars like that are very useful equalizers for dogs who are strong pullers.  I use them on my three dogs, and they are highly effective.


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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said:
But yes. Fine the shit out of them. If the law allows up to a 500 fine for taking handicap parking then YES someone who lets their dog lose or is unable to control their animal in reasonable circumstances should be fined. And those fines should be stacked for everything they're done wrong and the severity of the injury. Maybe then people will stop thinking they know what the fuck they're doing when they're "making a guard dog" that will get out and maul someone and cost them thousands of dollars.



As it currently stands, the owner of such a dog risks losing much more than a couple thousand dollars. Somebody who is mauled by a dog, even on the owner's property, is able to sue the owner for quite a good sum of money. And any time a dog bites somebody, if the person has to be hospitalized and reports that they were bitten at the hospital, the dog is automatically quarantined and risks being put down.

So I actually think the penalties are greater now as it stands, as opposed to what you proposed.

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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: Crystal G]
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The problems with the penalties is there is no standard.

Plus with pretty much any other crime the government gets on you first and then the victims decide if they want a civil case. It induces an automatic an unwaverable punishment for reckless behavior.


Like lets say you cause an accident, if you were speeding, driving recklessly, or not obeying the laws of traffic the very first thing the police will do is write you a ticket. Perhaps even take you to jail if you are negligent enough. After than anyone hurt in the accident you are responsible for gets to decide if they want to take you to court for tens of thousands of dollars or even hundreds of thousands if it was bad enough.
In some cases though the other people involved in the accident don't want to go through civil court. It's not worth it to them. Maybe they were smoking a joint or something :ohwell:


Let's go off to the ghetto where a drug dealer's dog gets out and bites one of his customers bad enough to require stitches. If that incident is even reported in most cases the only thing that would happen is animal control would ask the owner questions and hold the dog for a few days to be sure it doesn't have rabies.


The potential penalties are greater than my ideas of government enforced law, but they are in all cases of neglect, if it becomes criminal to have your dog go and bite people and cost people a shit load of money (which in turn could go to funding better animal control) then things stand a chance of changing.


The only people paranoid about lawsuits are corporations.
People are generally concerned with the law.


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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
How frequently are dogs at your kennel mismanaged enough to be in a fighting scenario?
Every animal shelter my volunteer time has been put in, each dog had an individual locking kennel
and were taken to the outdoor kennels individually on a leash

any boarding kennel one of my dogs stayed in during a vacation
was always a facility large enough for dogs not to be placed together
unless they had already demonstrated friendliness

if this was anything other than a one-off experience,
someone should probably have word with the manager about implementing better kennels
or better policies in dog handling

tho, to be fair, most of the shelters where my time was put in
were kill shelters
so the workers were careful not to let the animals get into a position of fighting
otherwise both dogs could end up on the "unadoptable" list and be next for euthanasia
even if one was strictly the attacked
so we were pretty mindful of keeping dogs separated
unless they had been relinquished by the same owner/household



the whole point of the kennel i work at is that it is cage-free. people pay the big bucks so their dog can be somewhere where it can play with other dogs and go outside throughout the day. we have 12 rooms and we get about 75-85 dogs a day and my job is to do my best to safely group them. 19/20 days all the dogs go home without a scratch, but I mean, they are dogs, and they play rough, and occasionally that turns into fighting

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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: morrowasted]
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I have a white GSD puppy, and I'm probably going to get evicted when the land lord finds out it's a GSD and not some other breed.



BUT HE'S SOOO CUUUUTE!







Pisses me off that this well-behaved, already potty-trained 14 week old puppy is considered a banned breed and considered 'aggressive'.  This is the smartest puppy I've ever dealt with and he's super social.

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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: morrowasted]
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I love GSDs! They're so smart and sweet. It's odd to me that they're banned.



Our household has two dogs, one is a BIG old pitbull that is sweet as can be but super intimidating, anyone who she doesn't know who knocks on our door is met with what sounds like the hound from hell, but she's sweet as can be. One of my roommates has a toddler that comes and stays with us a couple weekends a month and this dog is just so gentle with him.

Then we've got a pup who's a boxer pit mix that is also really sweet - she's super smart, incredibly dog friendly, I take her to the dog park every other day if not everyday and she's super well socialized. When we first had her as a puppy she would get possessive with toys around other dogs, but now that she's socialized there's no possessiveness to speak of and not an aggressive bone in her body.

morrowasted said:
the whole point of the kennel i work at is that it is cage-free. people pay the big bucks so their dog can be somewhere where it can play with other dogs and go outside throughout the day. we have 12 rooms and we get about 75-85 dogs a day and my job is to do my best to safely group them. 19/20 days all the dogs go home without a scratch, but I mean, they are dogs, and they play rough, and occasionally that turns into fighting





Yeah, that'll happen at the dog park I go to sometimes - not enough that I'm worried, most of the owners who are there are really attentive and good - but when it's a big group of people in there you will inevitably have some dog personalities that clash or some dogs that simply play a bit too rough.


I don't have any need for a doggie daycare for my pup just yet, my office is good about letting me work from home on at least one day out of the week and is dog friendly(though I don't bring her in, as she's still a puppy), between the 5 of us, someone is usually home to watch her. At worst she'll have to spend a few hours in her crate one or two odd days out of the week, but that's literally the only time she's in there, if there's ever a time where she had to be in the crate everyday while I was at work then I would definitely pay for a doggie daycare

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Re: Banning dog breeds ultimate racism [Re: pirate-blues]
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why ban guns when people do the killing?

why ban dogs when it's the owners fault?




same thinking, just feel good laws to protect the sheeple.


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