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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ellis Dee said:
Celestial Traveler said:
Why is racism worse than other forms of hate?


It isn't. There also is nothing innately bad about hate. Its an emotional mechanism which allows us to better destroy our enemies and protect our own.


It's suicide and kills people everyday in every imaginable way.  Hate will dissolve everything good about you.  It's worse than any drug imaginable.

It also feels like shit and will eat you apart.


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Hate is a survival mechanism, I hate people trying to kill me, steal my resources and cause me harm, that's not "based on ignorance", that's a very rational and logical position to hold.


not only is that unfounded, and just mere conjecture, but it's also nothing to do with the subject at hand. we're talking about racism, not hate.
also this is a committal of the naturalistic fallacy. assuming that which ought-be, due to natural consequence, is the necessary and right thing to do.

not at all. otherwise, i'm going to have to kill you all, for all your resources...but i won't, because the notion is bullshit.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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akira_akuma said:
qman said:
Hate is a survival mechanism, I hate people trying to kill me, steal my resources and cause me harm, that's not "based on ignorance", that's a very rational and logical position to hold.


not only is that unfounded, and just mere conjecture, but it's also nothing to do with the subject at hand. we're talking about racism, not hate.


what were you saying about the subject at hand and unfounded conjecture?

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akira_akuma said:
all hate is based on ignorance.




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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i never said conjecture can't be right -- but Qman is eliminated from that apparently happenstance because he's simply committing to the naturalistic fallacy, therefore rendering his argument specious at best...and i have an inkling the concept of "hate" is being mismatched with the concept of "racism" -- hate is therein, but it is not racism alone, racism requires more than "hatred", it also requires an impotence. an impotence of race...and everything that i've seen in the literature confirmed, and even in my own experience hints at, the fact that other "races" are not impotent; in fact, there is no other races...it's a mere concept of "kind" or relation, to different sub-sets- not of species, clearly, -- but instead "kind" of attributes attained within one's living in one's environment, which due to genetic drift and founders effect, ect, changes and shifts and evolves, as if from independent gene pools; which is the case, but we all know that all the human race is of one "kind", for certain, and that's the "human race".

but there are different "sub-sets" or "kinds" within different civilisations, and cultures, and tribes, and vagaries of existence within the human race's sphere of evolution.

we all know this.

so we know the impotence, therefore, must come from within; as sort of resignation and non-acceptance of one's own place in the world.

:freud:

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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yadda yadda yadda, yakity schmakity


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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exactly. you don't care.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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because it's a bullshit argument based on a bullshit premise with more bullshit
sandwiched between the slices of bullshit


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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no, actually it's a concise argument insuperable by you, so you'll just take no heed. it's your right to. but you're wrong. race is based on the concept that things are of separate kinds, but when it comes to humans, we have sub-sets of "kind".

this is well-documented, and not only that, but just also linguistic fact. sort like gender, but let's not...let's not go there. i'm sure you don't want to be schooled there too.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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please, school the fuck out of me


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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It's difficult for the inheritance of racism to slow down or stop.  People with a racist heritage tend to inherent and never reject that line of thought.


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
please, school the fuck out of me


gender is a grammatical concept, denoting opposites, dichotomies, and likenesses.

first one is a neutral body -- than one is a female body -- than one can become a male body.

this is just basic -- anyone in their amateur knowledge in the biological components of sex can tell you that -- but the fact is that before there was such an understanding or knowledge, there was first the linguistic concept, to denote qualities seen, and qualities inherent (ie, neutral).

these qualities were given to the natural schema of the two most basic opposites noted, female & male -- as everything in the world of dichotomies, it's a regenerative dichotomy. these opposites, or dichotomies, and their neutral counterparts (and some languages have more than a handful of grammatical genders) seen in male & female dichotomies/opposites are then denoted to things in and around the observer in the world -- ie, wet, cold, hot, dry,

this is the basics of most language.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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we were talking about racism and hate, not gender


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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you said you wanted to be schooled. :shrug:

so i'm just laying flat all this stupefying bullshit, and laying it to rest. in a way. i mean, i can construct a pretty fine-tuned argument by now, on the spot, against the bullshit like "gender is sex!" (not really -- it's a con-fangled  ancient mess of language which just needs some small education to understand the differences  between, or like me, just some thought on the subject and some research in linguistics, ect -- sex is the biological component. gender has two components; the component that frequently gets confused for sex [what is in-borne in the male/female]; and then there is the component that is purely denotational [Ibid. the concept ascribed to in the above post.].

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
all hate is based on ignorance.

therefore, all hate is bad.



Nay goes Pegasus as he flies upon the rainbow ov love!  If you hate the Hitleresque people ov the world, it would be ignorant to have compassion towards them.  If you hate a terrible person, then how is it bad if such hate is channeled toward ensuring that less people model themselves after a terrible person?  What it comes down to is that anyone is culpable for their own actions, and if they model themselves toward embracing negative stereotypes associated with their culture then they're just as guilty as the people who pass blind judgement towards them. 

I fully believe that it's a massive flaw in one's psychology to consider that the opposite ov hate is love.  The opposite ov hate is compassion.  The opposite ov love is restriction.  Ignorance is a form ov restriction, and since it is ignorant to not hate some things, then is hate a form ov love in some cases.  Compassion is an emotion while love is a current.

To judge one without knowing them or their personal actions is ignorant.  But it's also ignorant to assume that stereotypes are'nt often proven true by ignorant people who model themselves after and perpetuate bad aspects ov their culture, or whatever label they find theirselves stuck with.  And what is bad is restriction, excepting the cases where restriction assumes the occult aspect ov Binah, that ov binding for love's sake.


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: qman] * 4
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qman said:

Hate is a survival mechanism, I hate people trying to kill me, steal my resources and cause me harm, that's not "based on ignorance", that's a very rational and logical position to hold.


Yeah, I was saying this in another thread, hate teaches you who to avoid.

It needs to be tempered, but I don't care for the fake anti-hate brigade

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Celestial Traveler said:
Why is racism worse than other forms of hate?


it's not.


this
racism is bad because hate is bad, but whether you hate someone because they're black or because they're 6' 2" or because they're gay, it's equally stupid.
it's slightly different to hate people for their choices or beliefs, as that can be justified I maintain -it's ok to hate a child murderer, because he is deserving of hate for example


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Quote:
qman said:

Hate is a survival mechanism, I hate people trying to kill me, steal my resources and cause me harm, that's not "based on ignorance", that's a very rational and logical position to hold.


Yeah, I was saying this in another thread, hate teaches you who to avoid.

It needs to be tempered, but I don't care for the fake anti-hate brigade


no, you are faking yourself.

you know you shouldn't hate, even if there are drivers for the emotion. but you can hate things other than just "those whom to avoid" -- your logic breaks down, internally.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Hate is an offshoot of disgust.  Disgust is an inherent emotion found in babies across all societies.  It is not born from ignorance, but it can be and it can keep one drowning in ignorance.

So yes, hate is technically a survival mechanism.

And avoiding someone who spews a lot of hate =/= hating that person.


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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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so what is it's a survival mechanism? so is eating? can i eat anything i want? no. i can't. not morally.

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Re: Why is racism worse than other forms of hate? [Re: akira_akuma]
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I felt the exact same way in college
Non-conformist get it the worst
Doesn't matter if you're white, black, conservative, liberal
If you do not conform to the dark lethargy, then you will be reminded of it daily from tearless eyes.
An outlier trying to be cool/fit in is seen as a danger to these people (who most assuredly come from repressed backgrounds of their own whether not by choice or free will)
If you dress like a 12 year old and have loud tunes duuuuude than everything is fine, but weed isn't as tolerated in the north as people would have you beleive. There's just more of us here.


Also I assume most people practice racism when they try to stay out of bad area's they just don't vocalize it.

Edited by Konyap (11/13/16 08:39 PM)

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