spock said:

amp244 said:

Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.

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ISIS is trying to build an radical islamic empire. They aren't going to get much  support in Israel. It makes sense that they are in Islamic countries.

Peace.
Spock

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Enlil said:

You should fix the punctuation if you want anyone else to think it's a gem.

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amp244 said:

I just want to know where the intelligence is coming from, and how are they defeating these national armies. I also want to know why Israel, or the U.S., have not destroyed them. The fact that ISIS interests are aligning with U.S. interests, is a red flag at the very least. When ISIS does attack the west, it is some ridiculous mass murder spree where the guy states he's from ISIS and he is here to murder everybody. Can anybody else hear the war drums beating?

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amp244 said:

twighead said:

Oh yeah I'm sure, Libya is split into like 6 factions right now, they can't do shit. They're as ineffective as the syrians and the iraqis, and there's hardly any smidgen of activity as far as supposed NATO air assistance of daesh in Libya.

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I'm talking about when Gaddafi was in power. The country used to be the wealthiest in Africa, up until Gaddafi decided to try to unite Africa with an universal, gold-backed currency, challenging western hegemony. That was it, next thing you know, Gadhafi is "gasing" his own citizens, Nato needs to get involved, and Al Qaeda is leading a "revolution".

In 1967 Gaddafi took control over one of the poorest countries in Africa. When he was beaten and shot to death by savages, Libya was the wealthiest country in Africa. If you were a Bernie Sanders supporter, you would have undoubtedly been a Muammar Gaddafi supporter. He had all types of socialist state administered programs to distribute wealth directly to the people. Libyans had the highest quality of life in Africa before they went in and assassinated Gaddafi. Now Libya is as you described above, tattered and secularized. http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740

Here is Gaddafi driving through Tripoli in April 2011,

Looks like Libya was a fucking wasteland, right?

I get choked up everytime I even think about his death footage, and those psychopaths dragging him around and beating him ruthlessly. Way to go Obama, mission accomplished, you impoverished an entire country and relegated them to a state of violence and fear.

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sweeper54 said:

amp244 said:

Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.

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The World will not tolerate an attack on Israel.

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amp244 said:

sweeper54 said:

amp244 said:

Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.

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The World will not tolerate an attack on Israel.

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Why is that? What does Israel do for the world? What were the circumstances that brought modern Israel into existence? Why do we pander to Israel's desire to control the holy land and turn a blind eye to the inhumane treatment of the previous inhabitants? Tell me why we give (2015 figures) Israel $10.2 million per day in military aid? Who are they fighting that requires $3.7billion worth of foreign aid per year to handle? Remember, the Palestinians have aks and rpgs, the Israelis have command and control, cruise missiles, fighter jets, drones, etc. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

Could that $3.7 billion be spent more prudently elsewhere? Or are we getting our money's worth with Israel?

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The Ecstatic said:

And if not, theyll lose the land by force which they acquired by force.

Either might makes right or it doesn't.

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twighead said:

It's not even that Israel needs our money... we just pay certain countries to influence their affairs. What's better leverage to use against individuals in power than "If you do/don't do this - we will pull our billions of dollars in aide" - No politician or man in power wants to be the guy who just lost their country 4 billion $ in aid. Be it an Israeli or a Pakistani.

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twighead said:

On which end? It's not the public response that someone who just cost their country 4 billion $ has to worry about - it's the internal government response.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

sweeper54 said:

Russia is a huge threat. They have a large espionage program and they are not afraid to use it.

Nukes

They want to take us down and have the means to do it.

Iran is a large annoying Piss Ant.

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I can assure you that Russia has nothing on the US in terms of espionage capabilities.  And our nukes are a threat to Russia as well.

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Lol... Nobody.. Not a single fucking country, and no coalition of countries stands a fucking chance in HELL against America. Russia and China together couldn't fuck with America. It's what we do.

I don't consider America to be the 'Greatest country in the world', but there is no doubt that America is the greatest military force in human history. In fact, even if America falls, I doubt there will be another military power that can equal our current capabilities for at least another hundred years.

If we wanted to, we could obliterate ISIS, and accomplish all of those things we claim to be doing in the middle east. America is not interested in doing those things.

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starfire_xes said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

sweeper54 said:

Russia is a huge threat. They have a large espionage program and they are not afraid to use it.

Nukes

They want to take us down and have the means to do it.

Iran is a large annoying Piss Ant.

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I can assure you that Russia has nothing on the US in terms of espionage capabilities.  And our nukes are a threat to Russia as well.

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Lol... Nobody.. Not a single fucking country, and no coalition of countries stands a fucking chance in HELL against America. Russia and China together couldn't fuck with America. It's what we do.

I don't consider America to be the 'Greatest country in the world', but there is no doubt that America is the greatest military force in human history. In fact, even if America falls, I doubt there will be another military power that can equal our current capabilities for at least another hundred years.

If we wanted to, we could obliterate ISIS, and accomplish all of those things we claim to be doing in the middle east. America is not interested in doing those things.

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Words of Wisdom.

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