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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23439208 - 07/13/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cool.

I sometimes chuckle at your posts, too, because I often see within them poignant reminders of how easily people are misled by propaganda.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23439640 - 07/14/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So what is the end game for racists? Just quietly hating and brooding until they get old and die with an ugly squished up hate face?

I mean seriously we are all just humans trying to get by, why make it even harder by hating each other for stupid little reasons?
I always thought that it would be near impossible for someone to do mushrooms and still be racist


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23439644 - 07/14/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: xzylocybin] * 1
    #23439924 - 07/14/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So what is the end game for racists? Just quietly hating and brooding until they get old and die with an ugly squished up hate face?




You left out the spreading of the hate during that miserable life.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: xzylocybin] * 1
    #23440238 - 07/14/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So what is the end game for racists? Just quietly hating and brooding until they get old and die with an ugly squished up hate face?

I mean seriously we are all just humans trying to get by, why make it even harder by hating each other for stupid little reasons?
I always thought that it would be near impossible for someone to do mushrooms and still be racist




Because its comforting to be able to blame all your problems on someone else.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23440359 - 07/14/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So what is the end game for racists? Just quietly hating and brooding until they get old and die with an ugly squished up hate face?

I mean seriously we are all just humans trying to get by, why make it even harder by hating each other for stupid little reasons?
I always thought that it would be near impossible for someone to do mushrooms and still be racist




Because its comforting to be able to blame all your problems on someone else.





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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23441110 - 07/14/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cool.

I sometimes chuckle at your posts, too, because I often see within them poignant reminders of how easily people are misled by propaganda.




Your faith in the system is astounding, given your profession. I have heard many lawyers attest to the terrible miscarriage  of justice in our legal system.

I wonder, what is your opinion of the Casey Anthony case?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23441129 - 07/14/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's not faith in a system.  My opinions are formed from an objective look at all of the evidence produced at trial.  I don't know enough about the Anthony case to have an informed opinion.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444130 - 07/15/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cool.

I sometimes chuckle at your posts, too, because I often see within them poignant reminders of how easily people are misled by propaganda.




Anlil you are heavily indoctrinated. The high level of indoctrination you display is a product of our government influenced and administered educational system. The indoctrinating influence of modern universities, in particular, is approaching a precedent not met since the Catholic church was running them. You serve as the prime example of how certain levels of ignorance can only be exercised with a college degree. They print papers like the Washington Post and NY Times just for the "intellectual elites" like you. Grandiose thinking can really lead one to completely disregard common sense. Neil Tyson has something to say about all of us in my signature.

You are the type of person, that despite a history of corruption and lies, still takes the testimony of Hillary Clinton and the establishment at face value. You say that 'this isn't gross criminal negligence, it is merely a case of Hillary Clinton being so stupid and ignorant that the Mens Rea criteria cannot be met.' If that were the case she isn't qualified to be the manager of a McDonalds, let alone running for the president of the United States. So she is either intelligent, aware of her actions, and lying; or she is an imbecile being sponsored by a corrupt and unethical establishment. Although I guess if you are indoctrinated and biased towards the establishment, you would say that she isn't that stupid, just stupid enough not to be criminally negligent, but competent enough to rise through the ranks of politics and establish herself as the most qualified person to lead our country.

Regardless of her intelligence, the bitch has no moral compass. Just listen to Larry Nichols go off about how unethical she is/was, and the power she represents. Anyone else with these kinds of problems *cough* Petraeus *cough* would have been jacked up. Hillary, instead runs for President. I can't believe that there are still lines you are incapable of reading between. Just about the rest of the world recognizes what is happening right in front of our eyes: If we make it to an election, Hillary and the Clinton machine is taking the Whitehouse whether you like it or not. The law doesn't apply to Hillary and the Clinton machine, people like you unwittingly make sure of that.

Not only is her history shrouded in corruption and lies, she is also a complete fucking moron, but that doesn't matter if you disregard common sense and rely solely on official government/mainstream media testimony to form all of your objective evidence-based conclusions. Here's an NBC news flash for you Anlil, when all of your premises are fabrications, your conclusion are false, despite the fact that you can provide sound logic.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #23444161 - 07/15/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're just making assumptions about my premises.  You haven't a clue.  Either that or you're intentionally making a strawman to tear down.  In any case, you're wholly incorrect insofar as you argue that I support Hillary in even the slightest sense.

I am against government oppression, whether that oppression be the criminal prosecution of a drug user or the criminal prosecution of a Presidential candidate.

Are you in favor of prosecuting Snowden?  If you're in favor of prosecuting Clinton, you pretty much have to be in favor of prosecuting Snowden...unless you're okay with being patently hypocritical.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444323 - 07/15/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You're just making assumptions about my premises.  You haven't a clue.  Either that or you're intentionally making a strawman to tear down.  In any case, you're wholly incorrect insofar as you argue that I support Hillary in even the slightest sense.

I am against government oppression, whether that oppression be the criminal prosecution of a drug user or the criminal prosecution of a Presidential candidate.

Are you in favor of prosecuting Snowden?  If you're in favor of prosecuting Clinton, you pretty much have to be in favor of prosecuting Snowden...unless you're okay with being patently hypocritical.




Clearly the establishment thinks there is a difference. Snowden was demonized and immediately wanted, Clinton is running for, and will win, president. 

The Snowden breach was a breach designed to put useful information into the hands of the citizenry. It was designed to prevent the government oppression you are in opposition to. I certainly advocate a whistleblower exemption. And if Snowden put lives on the line, and led to lives being lost, in a manner such as Clinton, than I would be very much in favor of prosecuting him on those grounds.

There was no such moral justification regarding Clinton's breach that led to hostile entities hacking and gaining access to classified information. She was blatantly disregarding the rules as a convenience for herself. Her breach was a result of her belief that rules are for other people, and not for her. If a buck private leaves a classified document (training manual) unsecured, within a secured location, completely on accident and with no intent, they'll jack his ass up. No actual breach, no hacking, no foul whatsoever. I understand the differences in jurisdiction, but I don't agree with the double standard. You can foist these actions off as "extreme carelessness" all you want, I don't buy it.

Thanks for making an even stronger case for the fact that Hillary Clinton is protected by the establishment, an establishment that wants to oppress the citizenry and prosecute, to the fullest extent, whistle blowers siding with said citizenry.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23444331 - 07/15/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Snowden intentionally disbursed classified information.  Hillary didn't do anything even close to that.

I do appreciate your honesty about your clear bias, though.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444353 - 07/15/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

She did breach her security clearance NDA in which signing she legally bound herself to the terms contained within, no?

Since when has that been legally permissible?

The terms of the NDA clearly outlined the procedure for handling digital classified information (must be stored on specifically protected government servers), she signed it thus agreeing to follow all of those terms, and breached it.

Sounds pretty damn black and white to me. And she breached several of the following terms:



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
    #23444371 - 07/15/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say it was legally permissible.  What she did violated her security clearance.  There is no question about that.  There is a lot of real estate between violating an agreement and committing a crime, though.

When you're late paying your cellphone bill, you break the law and you violate the agreement.  That isn't a crime, though.  She definitely broke the law and her agreement.  The issue here, however, is whether or not she committed a crime.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444393 - 07/15/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Snowden intentionally disbursed classified information.  Hillary didn't do anything even close to that.

I do appreciate your honesty about your clear bias, though.



You see there you go asserting an opinion like you have some esoteric knowledge on the subject. It is my contention that she knew damn well she was distributing classified information. Astral has been posting link after link with direct quotes from investigation insiders that support this belief. It's my contention that she is powerful enough to have it all covered up and taken care of. I would be suggesting a conspiracy in this case. Don't fucking ban me for having an opinion.

I clearly delineated, to no avail, the difference between the two cases that would lead one to provide an exemption for Snowden. The whistle blower exemption. You progressives are very familiar with the ends justifies the means premise so it surprises me that you are ignoring it in this particular instance.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #23444402 - 07/15/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The ends never justify the means.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444415 - 07/15/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Never say never my friend. Don't ever put yourself in that kind of box.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #23444419 - 07/15/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not your friend, and I said never.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444477 - 07/15/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say it was legally permissible.  What she did violated her security clearance.  There is no question about that.  There is a lot of real estate between violating an agreement and committing a crime, though.

When you're late paying your cellphone bill, you break the law and you violate the agreement.  That isn't a crime, though.  She definitely broke the law and her agreement.  The issue here, however, is whether or not she committed a crime.



I always thought that breach of an NDA (especially dealing with that subject matter) is considered a pretty serious legal matter, at the least as defined within the NDA grounds for the removal of ones security clearance. And while it doesn't say that any penalties are mandatory... it just does not sit right that someone in her position behaves in a way that would see most underlings heavily fined, fired, and at the least put on probation... and by underlings - that even applies to the director of the CIA who faced a removal of clearance, probation, and huge fine for a much more innocuous breach in recent history..



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23444490 - 07/15/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not your friend, and I said never.




Well I'm not your buddy.

You can be as ignorant and as narrow minded as you'd like. As I've said before, you, and others like you, are unwittingly protecting the establishment and the control they exercise. When you say that a whistle blower who breaches a classification contract in an attempt to protect the Constitution is NEVER justified, you are advocating an environment where there can be egregious abuse of the constitution and personal freedom. Anyone who tries to check that abuse will face the coercive power of the state. Do you believe in Freedom? Because that is the impelling force behind the formation of the Democratic Republic. A free society was the aim of the framers. Cooperation without coercion. Decentralization of power. Oh how far we've strayed, no thanks to the "intellectual elite".


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