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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23413628 - 07/05/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its the Clinton Foundation that probably should be the focus of investigations
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23413823 - 07/05/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That sounds like the only reasonable conclusion given these facts.
What facts in particular? He basically says in his statement that anyone else would be guilty... quotes from his statement..
"Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities."
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail."
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
What do you think man of the law?
Is 'handling classified material in an extremely careless manner' not 'grossly negligent?'
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
#23413837 - 07/05/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Extremely careless isn't necessarily criminal gross negligence.
As he says, her actions don't rise to the level of a crime, but they might very well result in other sanctions.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23413865 - 07/05/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well jesus, if sending SAP need to know ultra-top secret files over an insecure or gmail server isn't gross negligence I have no clue what is. Programs of that level would be -extremely- damaging to national security if leaked. He also goes on to say that there is a fair chance that these emails fell into the hands of foreign intelligence agencies.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
#23413886 - 07/05/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: Well jesus, if sending SAP need to know ultra-top secret files over an insecure or gmail server isn't gross negligence I have no clue what is.
Some examples of criminal gross negligence:
1. Firing a pistol into a crowd of people. 2. Leaving an infant in a closed car on a hot day 3. Failing to give an infant water for three days
Keep in mind that to be criminally culpable for negligence, a person has to act with "wanton disregard" of the risk of harm. That means she would have to know that her actions placed the information at grave risk of being revealed. Do you really think that Clinton has the first fucking clue about shit like that?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23413940 - 07/05/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Considering she signed an NDA which clearly stated the protocols for the treatment of digital classified information, I would hope so...
I mean she was sec in the 2010's... there had to be a plethora of hacking reports within the government at that time, to be ignorant of the dangers posed by the threat is not excusable at that level of government. Except I guess it seems it is. Regardless she has no business being close to a classified document ever again.... if not 'grossly negligent' - then grossly inept. SAP programs on gmail is like stealing a car with the keys left in the ignition to a competent foreign services hacker.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead] 1
#23413944 - 07/05/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
#23414143 - 07/05/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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FBI Rewrites Federal Law to Let Hillary Off the Hook
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook
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There is no way of getting around this: According to Director James Comey (disclosure: a former colleague and longtime friend of mine), Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18): With lawful access to highly classified information she acted with gross negligence in removing and causing it to be removed it from its proper place of custody, and she transmitted it and caused it to be transmitted to others not authorized to have it, in patent violation of her trust.
Director Comey even conceded that former Secretary Clinton was “extremely careless” and strongly suggested that her recklessness very likely led to communications (her own and those she corresponded with) being intercepted by foreign intelligence services. Yet, Director Comey recommended against prosecution of the law violations he clearly found on the ground that there was no intent to harm the United States.
Yet, Director Comey recommended against prosecution of the law violations he clearly found on the ground that there was no intent to harm the United States.
In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence.
I would point out, moreover, that there are other statutes that criminalize unlawfully removing and transmitting highly classified information with intent to harm the United States. Being not guilty (and, indeed, not even accused) of Offense B does not absolve a person of guilt on Offense A, which she has committed.
It is a common tactic of defense lawyers in criminal trials to set up a straw-man for the jury: a crime the defendant has not committed. The idea is that by knocking down a crime the prosecution does not allege and cannot prove, the defense may confuse the jury into believing the defendant is not guilty of the crime charged. Judges generally do not allow such sleight-of-hand because innocence on an uncharged crime is irrelevant to the consideration of the crimes that actually have been charged.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#23414471 - 07/05/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let Barry babble on in place of our robot candidate. I wonder if Hillary is flipping the bill for a ride in Air Force One or if she's getting a free trip out of the deal.
She might as well announce Obama as her running mate. They're the lying tag team from hell.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#23414581 - 07/05/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#23414631 - 07/05/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#23414666 - 07/05/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23414787 - 07/05/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Extremely careless isn't necessarily criminal gross negligence.
As he says, her actions don't rise to the level of a crime, but they might very well result in other sanctions.
Could one of those 'sanctions' be not permitting her a security clearance, which would preclude her from becoming president (I would presume)?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23414872 - 07/05/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It could be, but that wouldn't preclude her from becoming President. The Constitution is very clear about the qualifications to be President, and a security clearance isn't one of those qualifications.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23415182 - 07/05/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It could be, but that wouldn't preclude her from becoming President. The Constitution is very clear about the qualifications to be President, and a security clearance isn't one of those qualifications.
Fair enough. It would be a funny set of circumstances though, no doubt. The person in charge of the military wouldn't be privy to knowledge about military affairs lmao! Could this be an impeachable set of circumstances?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23415196 - 07/05/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, anyone who refused to give her information could be impeached. The President is the commander in chief and is entitled to the information, security clearance or not.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#23415314 - 07/05/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yes, anyone who refused to give her information could be impeached. The President is the commander in chief and is entitled to the information, security clearance or not.
Hmm. I thought the president had to have a security clearance.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23415721 - 07/06/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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She sure the hell shouldn't after Comey's full speech laid it all out. She's guilty as hell and they used the "intent" excuse to let her slide. They should at least throw it to a grand jury to decide, but that would just add another chapter to the Clinton body count list.
Not being charged doesn't mean she's innocent, but she will appear to be to those who rely on the MSM for their political "facts". She may have been let off the criminal hook, but her approval isn't going to get any better with human beings from here. Interactions with humans ain't her thing, hence the Barry cameo today, and he's a stuttering prick who shouldn't be out campaigning for a presidential candidate.
James Comey FBI Director speech on Hillary Clinton Emails, No Charges for Clinton
No MSM is going to show any of this, and I already saw NBC Chicago lead the news with the announcement. Literally lasted about 20 sec, and half of that was yet another Trump clip taken out of context. The MSM have some masters of contextomy behind the scenes.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain] 2
#23415977 - 07/06/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
#23416969 - 07/06/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lmao!!!
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