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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: Moonshoe]
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""1. The Industrial Sources of the Chemicals

Until recently, all fluoridation chemicals were obtained from the wet scrubbing systems of the phosphate fertilizer industry in central Florida. In recent years, however, an increasing number of water departments have begun purchasing their fluoride chemicals from China. Based on recent incidents, it appears that the quality control of the Chinese chemicals is even more lax, and variable, than the U.S.-produced chemicals.

Phosphate Fertilizer Industry (Florida, US)

In the process of converting phosphate rock into soluble fertilizer, two very toxic fluoride gases are released: hydrogen fluoride and silicon tetrafluoride. In the past, the phosphate industry used to let these two gases vent freely into the atmosphere. This, however, caused severe environmental damage among downwind communities, including widespread cattle poisonings, scorched vegetation, and various human health complaints.

Eventually, as a result of both litigation and regulation, the phosphate industry installed “wet scrubbers” to trap the fluoride gases. The collected liquid in these scrubbers (hydrofluoroslicic acid) is entered into storage tanks and shipped to water departments throughout the country. In 1983, an official at the Environmental Protection Agency stated the agency’s support for this process:

“In regard to the use of fluosilicic acid as the source of fluoride for fluoridation, this agency regards such use as an ideal solution to a long standing problem. By recovering by-product fluosilicic acid from fertilizer manufacturing, water and air pollution are minimized, and water authorities have a low-cost source of fluoride available to them.” [See letter]

Others at EPA, however, have voiced their objections to this process. In 2000, Dr. William Hirzy, the senior vice president of EPA’s Headquarters Union of Scientists and Professionals, stated:

‘”If this stuff gets out into the air, it’s a pollutant; if it gets into the river, it’s a pollutant; if it gets into the lake it’s a pollutant; but if it goes right into your drinking water system, it’s not a pollutant… There’s got to be a better way to manage this stuff.” [See interview]"


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: Moonshoe]
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haha  i wanted to talk about how its added dude to industrial processes and we are just force fed it for their  convenience however i had no sources to back me up nor details of the matter. thank you moonshoe!

you are all being treated like cattle now have a great day! :lol:

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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: Everything]
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Moonshoe said:
There are multiple radically different forms of fluoride.

The naturally occurring kind is calcium fluoride.

The dental kind is sodium fluoride .

The kind they add in my cities municipal water is hydrofluorisilicate and hexofluorosilic acid.

Radically different things.

The natural kind is less toxic than the dental, but both are worlds away from the industrial toxic waste that is added in Canadian and American drinking water .

Israel used to use the same toxic waste for fluoridation and when their citizens found out they stopped it and sued the government .

Natural fluoride in water is an entirely different animal from the toxic waste laden byproducts of heavy aluminum and potash industry that is literally scraped out of the outflow filters and added too drinking water.

It was too toxic to release to the environment so they added wet scrubbers to filter out the toxic fluoride before dumping to the environment . They literally extract the toxic fluoride from those filters and add it directly to water , complete with lead and other even more toxic contaminants .

Yes, this is the literal, actual truth.


Fluoride is fluoride there is absolutely zero difference between calcium fluoride and sodium fluoride once it is dissolved in water. In fact there is no such thing as calcium fluoride in solution. There is just calcium ions and fluoride ions. Same goes for sodium fluoride.


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: koods]
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Quote:
“In regard to the use of fluosilicic acid as the source of fluoride for fluoridation, this agency regards such use as an ideal solution to a long standing problem. By recovering by-product fluosilicic acid from fertilizer manufacturing, water and air pollution are minimized, and water authorities have a low-cost source of fluoride available to them.” [See letter]


they arent saying they dispose of industrial waste by feeding it to people. They are saying that the waste from that process is a cheap source of fluoride for water treatment. The amount of fluoride released in phosphate production is immense. The amount used in water treatment is minuscule. You do understand that something that can be toxic in larger amounts can also be a trace nutrient, don't you? If the body didn't require fluoride for healthy teeth development, then putting it in water would be stupid. But, we do know that developing teeth require fluoride.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: koods] * 1
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heh if fluoride isn't toxic then how come guns can kill you?


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme] * 1
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They can't. Bullets kill you.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme]
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Deschutes is no where near the big US guys, but they are relatively big among their peers, seeing about 30 states (seekabrew.com ) in the West and Midwest. Ninkasi only sees a handful of states, unfortunately.


There are thousands of stouts available besides Guinnness, but you shouldn't be too worried about its fluoridation. Most especially if you ever drink to the point of drunkenness. There are plenty of other things in daily life that have more evidence of harming us to any significant degree.

Many porters and stouts will be much heavier/thicker/stronger flavored than Guinness. You'd probably like Schwarzbiers, (very) crisp lower ABV black/roasted malt lagers.


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: koods]
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koods said:
They can't. Bullets kill you.



Haha I thought so. Cleverly ignore the fact that guns kill trillions of people while bullets take all of the blame.
Therefor, fluoride is dangerous at all levels.

KYUED.


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: koods] * 1
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The dental benefits fluoride can have exist only for topical use , while its harms emerge from systemic / oral use.

Adding fluoride to drinking water to prevent cavities is idiotic insanity, for exactly the same reason adding sunscreen to the drinking water to prevent sunburn would be idiotic insanity.

Would you drink bug spray to prevent mosquito bites?

When you get a paper cut do you eat a band aid ?

again, fluoride has absolutely zero dental benefit taken orally. It's only use is topical. Therefore , administering it orally, let alone indiscriminately giving it orally to everyone without any accounting for the fact that people are getting wildly different doses depending on body size and how much water they drink, Is unethical, irrational, harmful And insane.

If you think drinking fluoride for cavity prevention makes sense, don't forget to drink your sunscreen before you go out on a hot day.


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: Moonshoe]
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haha jesus christ you're just the worst troll


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme]
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something super extreme said:
haha jesus christ I'm just the worst troll


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: musiclover420]
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420 in your username, consider yourself blessed to not be ignored much less to be talking to me


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: musiclover420]
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Man With Half The Facts In Heated Debate With Man With Zero Facts


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme] * 1
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Fluoride is my favorite beer!

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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Moonshot is right, adding fluoride to water to prevent cavities is idiotic, ANYONE with half brain will see that :shrug:


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme]
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it's all the flouride you drink SvS, its calcifying your crown chakra and closing the vagina that should be gaping open between your brow.

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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: desant] * 1
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Oh shit it all makes sense now

namaste brother everything many abundant yogas of the tantric cheeba to you friend


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme]
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Everything said:
for some reason i've never considered this.

oh, it is probably because i live OR and we do not add flouride to our water supply. We have a lot of micro brews, usually very hoppy, basically a plethora of local options like Ninkasi, Hop Valley, Oakshire Brewery, Fort Gorge, Deschutes... all highly recommend :thumbup:

I wonder if they sell in other Countries.


Oregon has a lower than usual level of water fluoridation, but 22% of the residents have fluoridated water. It would be understandable though for the microbreweries to locate outside those communities.


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: something super extreme]
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something super extreme said:
420 in your username, consider yourself blessed to not be ignored much less to be talking to me


:whateverhuman:


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Re: Fluoride in my favourite beer!! [Re: desant]
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Koods and anyone else who might want to actually understand this issue, This documentary is an excellent place to start.



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