qman said:

What benefits for staying in?

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howsyournaggerdoin said:

qman said:

What benefits for staying in?

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Its mostly economic reasons i think. Like open borders, shared currency, ...

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howsyournaggerdoin said:

Its mostly economic reasons i think. Like open borders, shared currency, ...

I hope the UK drops out so their bullshit drug policies dont infest my country or th EU as a whole.

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Tipote said:

I have mixed feelings about the EU. It is a very undemocratic system in which some EU laws are held higher than UK law.

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ballsalsa said:

The UK was leery of joining or adopting the Euro in the first place, after all, their money was quite valuable at the time (and has significantly weakened relative to the dollar or euro since).

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Bubbles85 said:

ballsalsa said:

The UK was leery of joining or adopting the Euro in the first place, after all, their money was quite valuable at the time (and has significantly weakened relative to the dollar or euro since).

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This is a load of crap. The pound is and all ways has been stronger than the Euro and it is stronger than the dollar as well. Keeping our national currency was one of the smartest decisions we ever made.

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ballsalsa said:

I never disputed that the pound was the strongest of the 3 currencies, however, i do have to admit that you are correct in pointing out my misconception about the use of euros in the UK.

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I should hope so, seeing as I'm English and use the GBP every day The UK never adopted the single currency, thank god.

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I have mixed feelings about the EU. It is a very undemocratic system in which some EU laws are held higher than UK law.

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Well said.

I think you know my position with out me even stating it.

Britain voted to join the EU in the 70's for the sole purpose of free trade and nothing more. Yet today, they govern our country entirely, from enforcing law, to deciding who can come to live and work here.

We do not need to be a member of the EU, to trade with the rest of its members. The EU needs the UK, more than the UK needs the EU and trade will continue regardless of the lack of our continued membership, that is 100% guaranteed.

There's also the problem with open borders and our country being open to over 500 million people, who can legally just walk in and stay when ever they feel like it and that will only increase when the EU starts handing out EU passports to the people of the migrant crisis.

These two points are just scratching the surface, but i think they're going to be the major topics of conversation through out this campaign.

David Camerons a punk and his EU reform deal is laughable. Its just a feeble attempt to trick voters in to thinking some kind of real change will take place, when the reality is, nothing will change.

Its time to leave. Its time to govern our own country again and take back control of our own borders.

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I think free movement is great actually. I'm not concerned about that aspect so much - more that there is no accountability or legitimacy to the governance of the EU. As i said in an above post, EU migrants are net contributors to tax coffers. You know 1.6 million (at least) UK citizens live outside the UK in the EU. When brits do it, they are expats and when anyone else does it they are sponging immigrants.

But i do agree with you generally that we should probably leave because although I would like to be part of a HUGELY reformed EU, Cameron is not going to get that with his deals.

I think Scotland, Wales and NI should get full independence (might be a little more difficult in Northern Ireland considering the IRA are rearming..) too

Bubbles85 said:

I should hope so, seeing as I'm English and use the GBP every day The UK never adopted the single currency, thank god.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I have mixed feelings about the EU. It is a very undemocratic system in which some EU laws are held higher than UK law.

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Well said.

I think you know my position with out me even stating it.

Britain voted to join the EU in the 70's for the sole purpose of free trade and nothing more. Yet today, they govern our country entirely, from enforcing law, to deciding who can come to live and work here.

We do not need to be a member of the EU, to trade with the rest of its members. The EU needs the UK, more than the UK needs the EU and trade will continue regardless of the lack of our continued membership, that is 100% guaranteed.

There's also the problem with open borders and our country being open to over 500 million people, who can legally just walk in and stay when ever they feel like it and that will only increase when the EU starts handing out EU passports to the people of the migrant crisis.

These two points are just scratching the surface, but i think they're going to be the major topics of conversation through out this campaign.

David Camerons a punk and his EU reform deal is laughable. Its just a feeble attempt to trick voters in to thinking some kind of real change will take place, when the reality is, nothing will change.

Its time to leave. Its time to govern our own country again and take back control of our own borders.

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I think free movement is great actually. I'm not concerned about that aspect so much - more that there is no accountability or legitimacy to the governance of the EU. As i said in an above post, EU migrants are net contributors to tax coffers. You know 1.6 million (at least) UK citizens live outside the UK in the EU. When brits do it, they are expats and when anyone else does it they are sponging immigrants.

But i do agree with you generally that we should probably leave because although I would like to be part of a HUGELY reformed EU, Cameron is not going to get that with his deals.

I think Scotland, Wales and NI should get full independence (might be a little more difficult in Northern Ireland considering the IRA are rearming..) too

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Bubbles85 said:

I disagree. The free movement of people is only great for the poorest member states. For country's like the UK, who's standard of living and minimum wages are so much higher than most of Europe, it has a negative effect on our country, with mainly unskilled, low paid migrant workers, coming here in the hundreds of thousands every year, to send the money they earn back home.

This is the problem with free movement, we have absolutely no control over the quality of the people who can come in. Instead of bringing in highly skilled, highly educated people, we get the poorest and the most deprived from every member state, because they can earn more on minimum wage here, than they can in their home country.

The EU also fails to protect the free movement of people to only member states and allows pretty much any one, from any where in the world, just walk in here.

This is crippling our National Health Service, our transport systems and our public services. Any one from any country with in the EU, can walk straight into the UK, receive free health care with out paying a penny and then go straight back home again. Its ridiculous.

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Many Brits do live on the continent yes, but most British ex pats living in Spain and France etc, are retirees, who move to those country s not for work, but for the weather and they're fully able to support them selves right from the start. That is not the case with most migrants coming in to the UK.

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If Scotland, Wales or NI wanted to leave the UK, then i would have no problem with that. Scotland had a recent referendum on their independence and the majority voted to stay within the UK. I just hope that the public come to their senses and do the opposite with their vote regarding the EU.

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Edit: Yes i also agree with you're position on the accountability and legitimacy to the governance. EU government officials are UN-elected. It's a complete and utter disgrace, that we are being governed by people who have never elected to do so by the people.

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