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Offlineyewhew
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This is what the muslim world is going nuts over
    #5268177 - 02/06/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here is one of the cartoons the muslim world is torching embassies over.

Muhammed cartoon

Are they taking it too far? Where should the line be drawn between free speech and religion?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: yewhew]
    #5268212 - 02/06/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I understand them being upset, but there's really nothing they can rightfully do about it.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: yewhew]
    #5268217 - 02/06/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Religous beliefs should never infringe on free speech.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: gregorio]
    #5268410 - 02/06/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly. They are suffering from a severe humour defficiency!


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: GazzBut]
    #5268636 - 02/06/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Exactly. They are suffering from a severe humour defficiency!




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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: barfightlard]
    #5268683 - 02/06/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fucking hypocrites!!!

They can burn our flag,

Chant death to the USA

But if they see a cartoon that they disagree with, well, THAT JUST WRONG.

I am getting so sick of extreme Muslims, they are worse then Pat Robertson!!!


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5268703 - 02/06/06 07:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> I am getting so sick of extreme Muslims

As I have said before, extreme Muslims are the ones asking for peace, understanding and love... the typical Muslim is the one burning flags, beheading civilians, raping their woman for honor, etc...


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5268925 - 02/06/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In my experience, that is not true at all. And I meet muslims on a daily basis.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5268942 - 02/06/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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As I have said before, extreme Muslims are the ones asking for peace, understanding and love... the typical Muslim is the one burning flags, beheading civilians, raping their woman for honor, etc...




Im sorry but I would love to see some proof of that. As far as I am concerened you are talking absolute rubbish. I know plenty of Muslims but I dont know one who would be willing to burn down buildings and kill over a cartoon. Also, in the middle east there are quite a few muslims you know,alot more than the angry mobs you see on the TV.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #5268974 - 02/06/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Young_but_cool said:
In my experience, that is not true at all. And I meet muslims on a daily basis.




same here


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Krishna]
    #5268992 - 02/06/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for peace?

When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for hate, chanting death to the infidels, burning flags?

If the shoe fits...


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5269000 - 02/06/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for peace?

When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for hate, chanting death to the infidels, burning flags?

If the shoe fits...



Red herring. The vast majority of Muslims do not march or demonstrate at all, making them far from extremist. BTW, there were plenty of Muslims at the peace protest I went to in 2003.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5269006 - 02/06/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Try this Google search: "muslim march for peace"


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Sclorch]
    #5269063 - 02/06/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There were lots of mulims at the last peace rally I went to as well, many chanting death to Israel, god is great, long live palestine, etc.
in fact, more muslims showed up than non.
and most of the non were anarchist punks shouting for peace and throwing rocks and bottles at police, setting off fire crackers, and generally TRYING to start a riot.
of the peaceful protesters, 1/4 could be considered lunatic fringe. you know, protesting by wearing clothes that clash and yelping like a dog waiving a peace sign.

just an observation. anybody who has actually BEEN to big
activist ralleys will either confim this or be a liar....
or i supopose just be blind to the clear reality around them, which is also common.

in contrast, i once saw an anarchist punk try to drag an american flag through the mud and light it on fire.

a muslim man, wrestled it from him and pubicly scolded him.
a photo of the action made the front page. which was nice.
but really did not reflect the overall sentiment at the rally


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Silversoul]
    #5269165 - 02/06/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)




Yep... I was wrong... red herring... these are peaceful people that want to behead others over a cartoon, that want to launch a real holocaust over a cartoon, that want to butcher people that mock their religion... thanks for setting me straight. I sure wouldn't want to mess with the non-peaceful extremists after seeing these loving, forgiving, peaceful folks...


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5269176 - 02/06/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Yep... I was wrong... red herring... these are peaceful people that want to behead others over a cartoon, that want to launch a real holocaust over a cartoon, that want to butcher people that mock their religion... thanks for setting me straight. I sure wouldn't want to mess with the non-peaceful extremists after seeing these loving, forgiving, peaceful folks...



Wow, you still don't get it. Small minority that gets media exposure =/= majority.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Silversoul]
    #5269196 - 02/06/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> Wow, you still don't get it. Small minority that gets media exposure =/= majority

That is what I have been saying for years... I am starting to suspect that I was wrong... I suspect that the many Muslim friends that I have are the minority extremists that want peace, love, and understanding, while the vast bulk of Muslims would much rather see the world burn than to share it with anybody that doesn't follow Islam.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5269202 - 02/06/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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> Wow, you still don't get it. Small minority that gets media exposure =/= majority

That is what I have been saying for years... I am starting to suspect that I was wrong... I suspect that the many Muslim friends that I have are the minority extremists that want peace, love, and understanding, while the vast bulk of Muslims would much rather see the world burn than to share it with anybody that doesn't follow Islam.



People often tend to have the same perception of Christians. In both cases, they are wrong. Just because the violent ones are more vocal does not mean they are the majority.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Silversoul]
    #5269215 - 02/06/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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Seuss said:
> Wow, you still don't get it. Small minority that gets media exposure =/= majority

That is what I have been saying for years... I am starting to suspect that I was wrong... I suspect that the many Muslim friends that I have are the minority extremists that want peace, love, and understanding, while the vast bulk of Muslims would much rather see the world burn than to share it with anybody that doesn't follow Islam.



People often tend to have the same perception of Christians. In both cases, they are wrong. Just because the violent ones are more vocal does not mean they are the majority.




I think it means they will be.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5270527 - 02/06/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)


the dutch are making fun of our sacred head-bombs!!!


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5270566 - 02/06/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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> Wow, you still don't get it. Small minority that gets media exposure =/= majority

That is what I have been saying for years... I am starting to suspect that I was wrong... I suspect that the many Muslim friends that I have are the minority extremists that want peace, love, and understanding, while the vast bulk of Muslims would much rather see the world burn than to share it with anybody that doesn't follow Islam.




That's because the media doesn't focus on the vast majority of people who aren't involved.

Look at the media coverage of other subjects, like Iraq. They only focus on the deaths and beheadings and terrorists, and not anything good we're doing. Not that I disagree with this tactic, as that's their freedom of speech and the Iraq War was a bad decision to begin with, but it shows that if we look at only the coverage, we're getting a very bias view. They put a magnifying glass over any unsightly areas, and ignore the majority.

Thousands of people marching, compared to how many hundreds of millions in the region? The Muslim world stretches from North Africa's western shore of Morocco to Turkey to Saudi Arabia to Indonesia, with huge populations. Relatively speaking, we're still talking about the small minority, percentage-wise, and for that in usually the radical countries. You don't hear about embassy bombings regularly in Tunisia or Morocco for a reason.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Silversoul]
    #5270674 - 02/06/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Red herring. The vast majority of Muslims do not march or demonstrate at all, making them far from extremist.




Red Herring. What about the muslims who are not marching but feel the same way as the ones who are and who condone all the violence and damage going on? I bet if you talked to muslims that live in the mideast, many of you may be surprised at the number who think the cartoon creators should be put to death. Just because you know westernized muslims that may or may not have ever lived in the mideast does not mean you have a finger on the pulse of Islam. There might come a time when the world will just have to accept that the extremist Islam ideology may not be our hoped-for case of a vocal minority.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Catalysis]
    #5272196 - 02/07/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No no, hes always right. If the US did something (or Christians, or anything western) it's usually wrong and it's caused by our cultural insensitivities and our inability to understand others. If others (namely protected minorities, such as muslims) do something 'wrong', it's only wrong because our cultural insensitivities and our inability to understand others. America is always wrong and the muslims that everyone here knows are the true representatives of all Muslims.

Paradigm - By "most muslims", are you meaning "most guys I know who were a bit darker skinned who smoked pot and drank with me in college where I got my degree in Useless", or did you actually conduct some sort of poll?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5272703 - 02/07/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the danish and norwegian flags represents a cross, a christian symbol symbolizing the faith we have in our nations, they burned it so they have mocked our religion and nation and they should be punished thereafter.



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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: pharao]
    #5272878 - 02/07/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

interesting that over the course of 5 years such a large segment of the population can go from having positive advances towards unity and racial acceptance to out right racist attitudes and beliefs. It's amazing what a little religious difference can do.

News Flash: The media always shows the ugly side of life in all instances. Conflict sells, violence sells, passion sells. People sitting in silent prayer, or peacefully demonstrating does NOT sell. Our media is a business, more of a buisness than anything else, and they are selling you images of hate, because you'll buy it. Do you really believe that most muslims are like these radicals? That's just ridiculous and pretty ignorant IMO. Whenever the WTO protests in seattle happened the media showed nothing but black clad anarchists destroying things. Apparently these were about 5% of the protesters....So where all the flower clad hippies holding hands and singing for peace? They're not on camera because they're boring and everyone will tune out. It's really pretty simple business sense. It's the same with these muslims...Some of them are flipping out for something i view as silly, but in their eyes it's important. But at any rate, the peaceful protesters will not be shown. It's sad that something as simple as the mainstream media can convert so many people into racists and create so many widely believed misconceptions.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5272930 - 02/07/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

racism is a made up word for me, it seems people use this term as they wish and when it fits them best. of course media will cover those muslims that burns flags and shoots on posters of the danish prime minister with ak 47 instead of those muslims who sits silent and hold hands and sing peace songs,.. there has been attacks on norwegians in iran today, pakistan and norwegian nato soldiers was attacked in afghanistan today also. this is the whole point, when you attack an embassy yuo attack the nation, so basicly we are under attack. words like racism is worthless in this debate. its a group of people who doesnt understand that our goverment cant apoligize on behalf on a newspaper, how would it look if George bush had to apoligize for a south park episode to you?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: pharao]
    #5273020 - 02/07/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

UK poll: 37% of Muslims in Britain think British Jews are a "legitimate target"

"Nearly two fifths (37 per cent) believe that the Jewish community in Britain is a legitimate target ?as part of the ongoing struggle for justice in the Middle East?.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-2028033,00.html


what if 37% of the British public thought Muslims were a legitimate target??????


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: yewhew]
    #5273575 - 02/07/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That link don't work anymore. Does anyone else know where to see this picture?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5274206 - 02/07/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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interesting that over the course of 5 years such a large segment of the population can go from having positive advances towards unity and racial acceptance to out right racist attitudes and beliefs. It's amazing what a little religious difference can do.




You don't seem to understand the culture in the mideast. Talk to anyone from Iran and they will tell you that the Iranian government is not a dictatorship as many apologists would have you believe. It is supported by a large majority of Iranians who back most of the policies, including death and execution in the name of religion and destruction of Israel. You call that a "little religious difference"? Do you have any idea what they do to people who violate Islam in Iran? This is simply the state of the culture and you cannot change it by wishing it were different or by throwing around accusations of racism.

Its actually kind of hypocritical that you accuse the media of filtering news and then use that to prove your point without any further sources.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Catalysis]
    #5274979 - 02/07/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^ A large majority of Americans support our drug laws, too... it means nothing other than we have this huge clash between countries that brainwash their citizens, religions that brainwas their citizens, and religious countries that brainwash their citiziens.

This violence is not the fault of the people, it is the fault of those in charge. The mid-east is kind of a violent place, so naturally it follows that the religions and policies there will be kind of violent, and that this kind of stuff will arise.

It is not Islam, it is not Christianity, it is those in power who are manipulating people into stupidity.............. it is humanity at whole that is being tested right now, and I hope for the best........


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Seuss]
    #5275006 - 02/07/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for peace?

When was the last time you saw more than 10,000 muslims together marching for hate, chanting death to the infidels, burning flags?

If the shoe fits...




There are one 1 billion Muslims, if 1% is are crazy, howmany Muslims is that?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: downforpot]
    #5276208 - 02/08/06 03:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> There are one 1 billion Muslims, if 1% is are crazy, howmany Muslims is that?

Sorry, I was using the Hebrew/Biblical reference of 10,000 to mean "a lot", not a specific number. The actual number of protestors would be much, much larger.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5277248 - 02/08/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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It's amazing what a little religious difference can do.



That's why I vehemently advocate the absense of religion. Religion does way more harm than good.

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News Flash: The media always shows the ugly side of life in all instances. Conflict sells, violence sells, passion sells. People sitting in silent prayer, or peacefully demonstrating does NOT sell. Our media is a business, more of a buisness than anything else, and they are selling you images of hate, because you'll buy it. Do you really believe that most muslims are like these radicals?



I believe that these so called extremist muslims were so far removed from the beliefs of all muslims, then there would be more muslim protests against the extremist muslims. Islam is extremist.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: leery11]
    #5279016 - 02/08/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It seems Europe is just figuring out what America has known for years. If it's only a minority that are violent in the Muslim world (I'm not talking about westernized muslim, there's a difference), how come they don't protest when an innocent victim gets their head chopped off? Where are the masses when someone blows themselves up in the name of ALLAH? Is this silence to acts performed in the name of allah a blasphemy to the very religion that supposedly preaches peace? I believe close to a majority would love to erase the existence of Israel and the United States.

How come they are so easily influenced? I believe that if it's not a majority that are radical, it's awfully close. Mind you I don't hate the radicals, I actually pity them. It's sad to see a group of people that are so dependent on a book that controls their every move that they cannot enjoy the life that that book promises.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Innvertigo]
    #5279526 - 02/08/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

EMBRACE GOD REJECT RELIGION

The prophet that comes after Mohammed


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: yewhew]
    #5280521 - 02/09/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone have a working link to these Mohammed cartoons?


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: moog]
    #5280608 - 02/09/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: gregorio]
    #5280632 - 02/09/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

These images was also reprinted in Jerusalem Post, so why is there no attacks on Israel property?? [i belive the answer is that isreael will strike down harder on these folks than us scandinavians so they dont dare) and thanks to george bush for involving himself and to this black woman (i dont know her role in the us gov is but I liked what she said) who was the first politican I have heard so far that has said a few of those things i wish our prime minister would have balls to say, instead the norwegian PM Jens stoltenberg, goes around and doesnt know what to say, what to do, what else is new.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Innvertigo]
    #5280639 - 02/09/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Even I have to admit, it's pretty ridiculous. I do think Islam has hope of growing up. Westernized Islam proves that. But it has a loooooong way to go. Even longer than Christianity, which is still very much in need of maturity.


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Re: This is what the muslim world is going nuts over [Re: Silversoul]
    #5286107 - 02/10/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I agree Paradigm, that is whats needed most.


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