Outlaw308 said:

moonrockmushy said:

That's stupid everyone knows the way to stimulate an economy is to give the rich tax breaks and bailouts so that the money can trickle down. 

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Whether or not the money actually "trickles down" when not taxed is open to debate. Something that isn't open to debate is the fact that when it is taken through taxation, it can't "trickle down" because it's not there anymore.

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sonamdrukpa said:

Outlaw308 said:

moonrockmushy said:

That's stupid everyone knows the way to stimulate an economy is to give the rich tax breaks and bailouts so that the money can trickle down. 

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Whether or not the money actually "trickles down" when not taxed is open to debate. Something that isn't open to debate is the fact that when it is taken through taxation, it can't "trickle down" because it's not there anymore.

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What, you think the government just takes everyone's money and leaves it in a giant piggy bank somewhere?

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zappaisgod said:

Asante said:

All Fins pay taxes.
All Fins get the €800.

Therefore they all pay.

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All Finns pay taxes?  Even Finns who have no income?

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Asante said:

zappaisgod said:

Asante said:

All Fins pay taxes.
All Fins get the €800.

Therefore they all pay.

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All Finns pay taxes?  Even Finns who have no income?

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If you buy something in Finland you are paying 24% VAT tax on it.

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Outlaw308 said:

sonamdrukpa said:

Outlaw308 said:

moonrockmushy said:

That's stupid everyone knows the way to stimulate an economy is to give the rich tax breaks and bailouts so that the money can trickle down. 

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Whether or not the money actually "trickles down" when not taxed is open to debate. Something that isn't open to debate is the fact that when it is taken through taxation, it can't "trickle down" because it's not there anymore.

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What, you think the government just takes everyone's money and leaves it in a giant piggy bank somewhere?

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Oh no, it gets spent, just generally not for the good of the people. I guess it employs people building bombs and drones these days. A better way to put it I guess is, when money is taken out of the private sector via taxation, it can't be used to expand the private sector.

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sonamdrukpa said:

Outlaw308 said:

Oh no, it gets spent, just generally not for the good of the people. I guess it employs people building bombs and drones these days. A better way to put it I guess is, when money is taken out of the private sector via taxation, it can't be used to expand the private sector.

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I don't think you're thinking this through. Most military spending goes out to private companies.  And to the general point, most of the time when economists try to measure the fiscal multiplier of government policies the number is higher for spending than for tax cuts.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Asante said:

zappaisgod said:

All Finns pay taxes?  Even Finns who have no income?

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If you buy something in Finland you are paying 24% VAT tax on it.

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how can you pay for something if you have no money?

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Asante said:

If you don't have an income, the government provides for you. The only way they can't is if you're homeless, then you live off charity or crime.

Almost nobody has no money in a nation that cares for its citizens.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Asante said:

If you don't have an income, the government provides for you. The only way they can't is if you're homeless, then you live off charity or crime.

Almost nobody has no money in a nation that cares for its citizens.

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that must be why the people claiming to be homeless beggars in the US have so much
money, the people in the US cares enough to give it directly to the poor instead
of forcing everyone to do it for them... oh wait... we're forced to do that too

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sonamdrukpa said:

I agree that war is never in the best interests of the people, but the boom in military spending during WWII and the Cold War did a lot economically for the U.S.

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Patlal said:

Prisoner#1 said:

Asante said:

If you don't have an income, the government provides for you. The only way they can't is if you're homeless, then you live off charity or crime.

Almost nobody has no money in a nation that cares for its citizens.

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that must be why the people claiming to be homeless beggars in the US have so much
money, the people in the US cares enough to give it directly to the poor instead
of forcing everyone to do it for them... oh wait... we're forced to do that too

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Yep. Taking greed outside of the equation makes things much easier to redistribute.

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Patlal said:

Well... When your nation is rich enough to be able to build that kind of safety net, you're doing something right and should definitely implement it.

It eliminates extreme poverty. That fact alone reduces crime, improve health, increases education. It's level up. The rest is just an increase in quality of life in general.

But yes, you will have to sacrifice roughly the cost of a new car through taxes every year if you're making good money

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Outlaw308 said:

sonamdrukpa said:

I agree that war is never in the best interests of the people, but the boom in military spending during WWII and the Cold War did a lot economically for the U.S.

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What about Europe, though? How much was spent replacing indutrial equipment that would have been productive for years longer had it not been destroyed in the first place? How much was spent reconstructing homes, commercial properties, etc that could have been better spent on other areas of the economy? Yes, war is good for certain sectors, but it is never a net gain.

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Crystal G said:

I consider myself pretty liberal, and this doesn't make any sense to me. If you give every single person 800 Euro's, then everything remains exactly the same as before.

The fuck????

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Crystal G said:

I consider myself pretty liberal, and this doesn't make any sense to me. If you give every single person 800 Euro's, then everything remains exactly the same as before.

The fuck????

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sonamdrukpa said:

Crystal G said:

I consider myself pretty liberal, and this doesn't make any sense to me. If you give every single person 800 Euro's, then everything remains exactly the same as before.

The fuck????

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Only if you're paying 800 Euros or more in taxes each month.  The idea is to create a income floor for the poor.

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