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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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you know what's funny...addressing hypocrisy. this should be fun.

PS: all religions promote violence in their text, whether by metaphor or as part of "the tale", and fundamentalists in any regard are stupid, and in religion, especially silly too. but not all, nor most even, of any single religious group follows their scriptures fundamentally speaking, nor do they promote or engage in violence. if you believe otherwise, you are a misinformed ignorant individual. i am here to show you how and why.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
all religions promote violence in their text, whether by metaphor or as part of "the tale", and fundamentalists in any regard are stupid, and in religion, especially silly too. but not all, nor most even, of any single religious group follows their scriptures fundamentally speaking, nor do they promote or engage in violence.


I agree with your statement.  :shrug:


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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that's awesome. good, don't be a hypocrite. no one is talking about Christian terrorism or hate ideologies...wonder why? because maybe people can't even stand up for what they tell themselves they believe in. the make-believe one whole-sale ideology, then trump it when something else, some other value judgement, makes up for it in their eyes.

a standing hypocrisy is what i see. i see people taking opinions formulated within other quarters that aren't their own, but merely they agree with a simplistic notion or idea that they can latch onto, to formulate their worldview...if we all crazily did that, just imagine all the radical new borders we could make along the planet, and imagine the boost in air travel sales. :rolleyes: the world would be a mess, in otherwords.

but this is what it's coming to.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
why exclude the violence of israel in gaza or in israel or in the west bank?


I didn't exclude Israel. I brought it up and condemned their actions, actually.

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jewish terrorists existed well before israel too and committed many attrocities.


You're saying that Jews are responsible for 'many' terrorist attacks, on par with Islam? I sincerely doubt that, but I'm open to your evidence.

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My original statement however was to highlight that these overarching generic comments about MUSLIMS are pretty insulting as its not like all muslims are a part of this at all, in fact a minority of assholes. you get them in all religions. just as israel doesnt speak for all jews (btw i would take issue with calling it the jewish state as it feeds into their bullshit considering 20% of the population at least is not jewish, i would say zionist regime instead)


Lol! Israel is a Jewish state! The whole reason America supports Israel is to give Jews a homeland. The whole reason Israelis want that particular land is religious.

I don't think my comments are 'overarching'. I call them as I see them. Their actions are justified by the text. A statistically significant number of Muslims support abuses of women and apostates, along with jihad.

Islam is an ugly and violent religion, as is Christianity.

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I'm pointing out with my statement that some of these comments about muslims are remisicent of some of the vile comments made about jews over the last 100 years and so people should be more careful with their words.


Right. You're saying that protesters of Islam are akin to Nazi's. Again, false equivalency. Personally, I don't hate Muslim people, but I do hate their religion, and I think the world is much worse off for it. I suppose I should throw in also that I do not hate Christians, but I do hate their religion, and the world is much worse off for it. Fair enough?


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
that's awesome. good, don't be a hypocrite. no one is talking about Christian terrorism or hate ideologies...wonder why? because maybe people can't even stand up for what they tell themselves they believe in. the make-believe one whole-sale ideology, then trump it when something else, some other value judgement, makes up for it in their eyes.

a standing hypocrisy is what i see. i see people taking opinions formulated within other quarters that aren't their own, but merely they agree with a simplistic notion or idea that they can latch onto, to formulate their worldview...if we all crazily did that, just imagine all the radical new borders we could make along the planet, and imagine the boost in air travel sales. :rolleyes: the world would be a mess, in otherwords.

but this is what it's coming to.


I'm with you again.  :thumbup:


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
you know what's funny...addressing hypocrisy. this should be fun.

PS: all religions promote violence in their text, whether by metaphor or as part of "the tale", and fundamentalists in any regard are stupid, and in religion, especially silly too. but not all, nor most even, of any single religious group follows their scriptures fundamentally speaking, nor do they promote or engage in violence.


No, not all religions promote violence (See Jainism). Being part of 'the tale' is not promoting violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

Not every argument has equivalent sides. In fact, most do not.

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if you believe otherwise, you are a misinformed ignorant individual. i am here to show you how and why.


What an ignorant thing to say. 'If you don't agree with me, you're stupid, btw'.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


Edited by Bigbadwooof (11/22/15 02:17 PM)

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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i have a very simple explanation for you here:

yes, Jainism is a very peaceful sect, as there are sects that actually do not promote violence in their texts, you're right.

but they do all contribute to the over all pool of committed violence, see Ahimsa in Jainism. it's not permitted to engage in violent or vengeful thoughts and desires...this however does not mean that violence doesn't happen. and i'll tell you one thing, it is not merely for self-contained political reasons that violence is committed in Jain culture; there is also the interpretation of how humans shall act absolutely, the very foundation of any religion, this act of insinuating that someone is above or below anyone else, in terms of their actions & behaviors, and/or their religious status, it all leads to committal of violence, and that's not getting into the further dimensions of how all of the above leads to not only segregating and persecuting others in an "us vs them" mentality, but also inclusive violence...Jainism and several other religious sects are offshoots of Sanskrit religions, for example, which has had developed and led to so much persecution and horde like mentality, and violence, that people had to form their own sects to flee, and to protect from combat; which is why you have Jainism in the first place, and not to mention their committal to nonviolence, which is only a precept...not an actuality, in all cases. because of the very nature of the reality of religion.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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People are violent creatures, mostly because it's the liberal in us all, you want something that someone else has so you take it. the problem arises when the person you're taking from resists, violence ensues...


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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nice purview into your twisted ideology. thanks for sharing that all with us.

i've heard that every conservative secretly wants to be a liberal; is this true? are you guys just scared of the ramifications of your human nature?

lol

human nature is driven not compounded.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
People are violent creatures, mostly because it's the liberal in us all, you want something that someone else has so you take it. the problem arises when the person you're taking from resists, violence ensues...


... You never cease to amaze me with your infallible logix...

:carlinorgasm:


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
nice purview into your twisted ideology. thanks for sharing that all with us.

i've heard that every conservative secretly wants to be a liberal; is this true? are you guys just scared of the ramifications of your human nature?

lol

human nature is driven not compounded.


No twisting necessary, it's true, don't believe me, try not paying your taxes...


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
my favorite quote from that historical lecture (9:30) "I'm not a historian but a scientist, but I can read from data".

yeah tell me when you have the historical knowledge to understand the situation and the depth of the data past some charts, maps and years.


I thought it was a good assessment, the cutting off of  the Mediterranean as a way to transport good is the main reason Europe's economy plummeted.

The rapid expansion of the Muslim world in its early years is not consistent with an expansion that reacts to oppression, but it is consistent with an expansion that is brought about by conquest, rather than infiltration and then defense of Muslim immigrants in non-Muslim lands. Mohammed was around when a lot of this was happening and set the tone, it was not one of peace, it was one of conquest.

Dr. Warners assessment of the state of North Africa as a result of the Muslim invasion is conjecture, but it has merit, it's the most likely scenario for the collapse of the area as an agrarian culture.

The enslaving of peoples won through conquest by Muslims is well documented. This is brutal greed, this is not the fringes of this movement, people acting outside of the sight of most of the Muslim word, this is generals and wealthy leaders ordering up sex slaves.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
People are violent creatures, mostly because it's the liberal in us all, you want something that someone else has so you take it. the problem arises when the person you're taking from resists, violence ensues...


No, "If you want something then take it" is not what liberals think.

ENOUGH WITH THE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
akira_akuma said:
nice purview into your twisted ideology. thanks for sharing that all with us.

i've heard that every conservative secretly wants to be a liberal; is this true? are you guys just scared of the ramifications of your human nature?

lol

human nature is driven not compounded.


No twisting necessary, it's true, don't believe me, try not paying your taxes...


we are talking about views here, and how they influence the world.

your world is all compounded. my world is driven. taxes aren't levied here. it'll be great when we can meet in a middle ground, but for now, i'm incline to think you're more lib than you'd grant yourself.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
People are violent creatures, mostly because it's the liberal in us all, you want something that someone else has so you take it. the problem arises when the person you're taking from resists, violence ensues...


No, "If you want something then take it" is not what liberals think.

ENOUGH WITH THE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.


Sure it is, and they use govt to do it, whether it's an Islamic state or any other, it really doesn't matter, it's liberal thought that sees what someone else has, and instead of working for it, just takes or demands someone else does


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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polly want a cracker?

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
hostileuniverse said:
akira_akuma said:
nice purview into your twisted ideology. thanks for sharing that all with us.

i've heard that every conservative secretly wants to be a liberal; is this true? are you guys just scared of the ramifications of your human nature?

lol

human nature is driven not compounded.


No twisting necessary, it's true, don't believe me, try not paying your taxes...


i'm incline to think you're more lib than you'd grant yourself.


Now you're just being mean, I work for what I have no TAKING necessary


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
polly want a cracker?


When conservatives troll, they get banned, you lucky


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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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a misnomer. you take from somewhere. that's what business is, taking something & making it work for you.

that's all "work" is. you're a lib.

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Re: Does Islam promote violence? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
a misnomer. you take from somewhere. that's what business is, taking something & making it work for you.

that's all "work" is. you're a lib.


You still trolling?


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